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Old 07-21-2012, 08:28 PM   #1
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why is the beer here in America so sub par in comparsion to Europe??? I have at least 20 friends who have said that once you go to Germany, Austira, Belgium or Estonia you'll never want to drink American beer again. I have one friend over in Estonia and Germany right now who HATES beer. I've given him every craft brew under the sun to try and convert him but he loathes it. He goes over to Germany and Estonia only to not be able to drink ENOUGH beer. His exact words are "American beer tastes like crap, this stuff is like crack". What's so different?



 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:34 PM   #2
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Might depend on what beer they are trying in the U.S., I suppose. If they are talking about Budweiser, Miller, and Coors, they might have a point. American craft beers can stand up to the best of those countries, though.



 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:36 PM   #3
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Might depend on what beer they are trying in the U.S., I suppose. If they are talking about Budweiser, Miller, and Coors, they might have a point. American craft beers can stand up to the best of those countries, though.
naw, I'm talking about goood craft brews like Pliny the elder, Anderson valley breweries, Hofe brau hefeweizens etc.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:41 PM   #4
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The primary reason is the bulk produced American light adjunct (corn/rice) Lager.

The secondary reason is that the American Craft brew industry has done its best to brew something completely unlike an American light adjunct lager, Often going to extremes with hops and gravity without thinking about balance or trying to reproduce classic English/European styles and methods. Just focusing on "not" brewing an American light Adjunct Lager. or "topping" an American light Adjunct Lager.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:44 PM   #5
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why is the beer here in America so sub par in comparsion to Europe???
It's not....so much anymore (IMHO). My advice is to do some traveling and come to your own conclusion related to the subject, rather than accept the opinion of others as true or not.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:46 PM   #6
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It's not....so much anymore (IMHO). My advice is to do some traveling and come to your own conclusion related to the subject, rather than accept the opinion of others as true or not.
oh I agree. I was just wondering why people who went over seas pretty much UNANIMOUSLY agree on the subject. heck even my buddy who hates beer hasn't been able to stop drinking beer in Germany since he got there. statistically I was just wondering what the reason for the discrepancy of beer here vs. there.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:51 PM   #7
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why is the beer here in America so sub par in comparsion to Europe??? I have at least 20 friends who have said that once you go to Germany, Austira, Belgium or Estonia you'll never want to drink American beer again. I have one friend over in Estonia and Germany right now who HATES beer. I've given him every craft brew under the sun to try and convert him but he loathes it. He goes over to Germany and Estonia only to not be able to drink ENOUGH beer. His exact words are "American beer tastes like crap, this stuff is like crack". What's so different?
Nothing more than old-fashioned, 1950's thinking.

I've lived in England and traveled extensively around Germany, Austria, and Belgium. No doubt, they make some pretty damn good beer over there - I'd never deny that.

However, this notion that American can't make good beer is just stupid. The craft brewing explosion in the past 20 years proves that. Unfortunately, American beer has been defined by the BMC crowd. It's going to take a few more years for the beer industry in America to redefine itself in the eyes of Eurobeersnobs. Too bad - it's really their loss.

FWIW, I've drunk some pretty nasty brews in Europe. It's not like they have a Magical Beer Unicorn that flies around turning piss-water in to World Class Ale.

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Old 07-21-2012, 08:52 PM   #8
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Nothing more than old-fashioned, 1950's thinking.

I've lived in England and traveled extensively around Germany, Austria, and Belgium. No doubt, they make some pretty damn good beer over there - I'd never deny that.

However, this notion that American can't make good beer is just stupid. The craft brewing explosion in the past 20 years proves that. Unfortunately, American beer has been defined by the BMC crowd. It's going to take a few more years for the beer industry in America to redefine itself in the eyes of Eurobeersnobs. Too bad - it's really their loss.

FWIW, I've drunk some pretty nasty brews in Europe. It's not like they have a Magical Beer Unicorn that flies around turning piss-water in to World Class Ale.
I dunno man. I think I've drunk enough at times while there to see a unicorn...

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I dunno man. I think I've drunk enough at times while there to see a unicorn...
I think you may have seen it in Amsterdam... and it wasn't summoned by the beer.



Oh man... now I've having flashbacks to a weekend in Wales. I followed a Welsh friend to some rural, outdoor beer festival. They had one concoction that tasted like someone had tossed a live sheep in the fermenter. I got down about half the pint before my liver staged a full-scale rebellion, and the left side of my brain got on the train back to Canterbury without me.

Ugh.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:55 PM   #10
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I've been all over western Europe, consumed pub brews in any local that would have me, and my take is it's pretty much the same hit/miss rate Over There as Over Here in our brew pubs. There are great beers, and there are "Meh" beers.

So, I'll have to go with Occam's Razor on this one: your friends are all simply @sshats that hate America.

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