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Old 07-21-2012, 02:29 AM   #1
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Not sure where to post this... sorry if in wrong forum.

Did anyone else enter this? My brewing buddy entered in one of the best beers I had along with 3 of his own, and they all did bad according to the judges.

Perhaps I am a wee bit bitter, however it seems as though the judges were pretty unprofessional. I have 1 sheet that ranked a beer pretty low, and under each category of judging he marked 1/whatever with no notes. The side section that listed whether or not they were actually a bjcp judge was blank on a few forms, with simple initials on the name column. Is that the norm?

Again this was my first beer entered, but not theirs and they've won a few 1sts and 2nds on smaller competitions.

Maybe my brew did suck but I'm more disappointed at the lack of notes.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:04 AM   #2
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Not sure where to post this... sorry if in wrong forum.

Did anyone else enter this? My brewing buddy entered in one of the best beers I had along with 3 of his own, and they all did bad according to the judges.

Perhaps I am a wee bit bitter, however it seems as though the judges were pretty unprofessional. I have 1 sheet that ranked a beer pretty low, and under each category of judging he marked 1/whatever with no notes. The side section that listed whether or not they were actually a bjcp judge was blank on a few forms, with simple initials on the name column. Is that the norm?

Again this was my first beer entered, but not theirs and they've won a few 1sts and 2nds on smaller competitions.

Maybe my brew did suck but I'm more disappointed at the lack of notes.
I entered the san diego fair competition. I did not score great but not too poorly. The notes were short. Judges names were hard to read. They did not have to be certified. I noticed alot of the judges were also club members. I also noticed many of the first place awards went to club members. I can taste a great beer. I can taste a bad beer. The tweeners are hard to place. I imagine you were a victim of probably over 1200 entries, many of which belong to local clubs. I would also venture to guess your judge was not certified. The fair events are manned by volunteers. They are usually disorganized. If judges do not show up as promised, their spot is filled by a volunteer. I would rather pay a service to have my beer analyzed. I wonder if there is an affordable solution.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:48 AM   #3
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I entered the san diego fair competition. I did not score great but not too poorly. The notes were short. Judges names were hard to read. They did not have to be certified. I noticed alot of the judges were also club members. I also noticed many of the first place awards went to club members. I can taste a great beer. I can taste a bad beer. The tweeners are hard to place. I imagine you were a victim of probably over 1200 entries, many of which belong to local clubs. I would also venture to guess your judge was not certified. The fair events are manned by volunteers. They are usually disorganized. If judges do not show up as promised, their spot is filled by a volunteer. I would rather pay a service to have my beer analyzed. I wonder if there is an affordable solution.
Interesting. I would have assumed since it was a state fair it would have been a bit more oriented to actual judges but we all know where assuming gets one.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:36 PM   #4
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if you assume, it makes an ass of u and me?

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:07 PM   #5
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Interesting. I would have assumed since it was a state fair it would have been a bit more oriented to actual judges but we all know where assuming gets one.
Were you more interested in placing or getting feedback from a certified beer judge?

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:39 PM   #6
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Feedback, nonetheless the low rank was disappointing.

 
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:43 PM   #7
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The judging at the midstate fair was done by all BJCP certified judges as far as I know.Your score sheets should have an email address for the judge,if you have questions perhaps an email to the judge is in order.if you have some constructive criticism about the contest,send the coordinator an email with your suggestions.
I can tell you that the competition at the midstate fair is tough.Their are a lot of really top notch home brewers in SLO county who are on top their game.

 
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:35 AM   #8
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The judging at the midstate fair was done by all BJCP certified judges as far as I know.Your score sheets should have an email address for the judge,if you have questions perhaps an email to the judge is in order.if you have some constructive criticism about the contest,send the coordinator an email with your suggestions.
I can tell you that the competition at the midstate fair is tough.Their are a lot of really top notch home brewers in SLO county who are on top their game.
It sounds like he is talking about the California State Fair in Sacramento. I have never entered but think it is interesting how they assign ribbons. It looks like it goes by counties. So you could win a Gold for your IPA but really it is judged as the best IPA that was sent in from your particular county. In other words there would be multiple 1st places for every category.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:47 AM   #9
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The judging at the midstate fair was done by all BJCP certified judges as far as I know.Your score sheets should have an email address for the judge,if you have questions perhaps an email to the judge is in order.if you have some constructive criticism about the contest,send the coordinator an email with your suggestions.
I can tell you that the competition at the midstate fair is tough.Their are a lot of really top notch home brewers in SLO county who are on top their game.
Well, that's where I was disappointed if I'm honest, out of all the very negatives of our beers were done with folks that hadn't bothered filling out their full name, emails or whether or not they were in fact judges or non judges. I'd like to be the bigger man and just say I'm not discouraged by the results, but I'm sure I'm a bit butthurt, but again I felt the entire score sheet was pretty unprofessional with the lack of info.

Again, this may be the norm and I may be expecting too much.

I believe out of the multiple judges that had reviewed each beer there was one that could be bothered to list his email and BJCP qualification and he was genuinely helpful.

I really dislike responding to this thread and creating it because it sounds like I'm complaining about failing at brewing beer, lol, so if you are still reading this I'm genuinely more interested in whether or not most competitions are run with this manner of seemingly unprofessionalism or not

 
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:53 AM   #10
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if you assume, it makes an ass of u and me?
Exactly.

 
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