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Old 07-07-2012, 02:05 PM   #1
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I've got about 15 or so brews under my belt, and have done a couple hoppier versions, including a recent IPA.

One thing I've noticed is a stark difference between my hoppy beers and some of the commercial IPAs, is that my beers have a muted or flat hop presence. Not sure if they're grassy or not, but they definitely seem muted. I don't dry hop and I'm presuming this is why... Most aroma hop additions happen at five minutes before end of boil.

Just wanted to present this to get a bead on whether this is due to boiling off volatile aromatic compounds and I should consider a hop stand or dy hopping?


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Old 07-07-2012, 03:03 PM   #2
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try dry hopping, it's lovely.



 
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:25 PM   #3
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You'll get better aroma from a hop stand at the end and or dry hopping.

Also the chloride to sulfate ratio of your water makes a difference.

 
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:27 PM   #4
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You could also try hop bursting.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:28 PM   #5
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I had the same issues until I started messing with my water chemistry. It made a huge difference.

Also, dry hopping is a must if you want a nice sharp hop aroma. I think that adds to the perception of hoppiness.

 
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:30 PM   #6
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What kind of water are you using? If its a softer water, the hops tend to be muted. If you have harder water, the hops pop more. Try adding a few grams of gypsum to your mash or boil next time.
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There could be a couple of things that you can try. One is simply "more hops, more later". What I mean is to add more hops at 15, 10, 5, and 0 and of course dryhopping. I think dryhopping is great, but I don't think it will fix a muted hops favor as much as the late boil additions.

Another thing that makes a difference is water chemistry. Do you know the make up of your water? I found that when using RO water adding a bit of gypsum makes the hops "pop".
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Also, consider trying first wort hopping. Adding hops right when you kill the flame instead of or in addition to the 5-min mark also helps.

But first thing I'd try, as others have said, is keep everything the same but try dry hopping, and see what that does for you.
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Since you haven't posted a recipe for what you actually brewed, we can't say if you have enough late additions hops. If you want a hoppy brew, try this recipe, Pliny the Elder clone. If it doesn't seem hoppy enough for you, your water is likely the culprit. Add some gypsum as me and Yooper suggested earlier.
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There could be a couple of things that you can try. One is simply "more hops, more later". What I mean is to add more hops at 15, 10, 5, and 0 and of course dryhopping. I think dryhopping is great, but I don't think it will fix a muted hops favor as much as the late boil additions.
I do this for all my IPA's ...... really brings out the flavor and aroma.



 
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