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Old 05-14-2012, 02:30 AM   #1
Apr 2012
Lindenhurst, NY
Posts: 6

I'm a beginner but would eventually like to make a gruit (un-hopped) historical ale. I have a recipe but it's for all-grain and was wondering it was possible to make this with DME/LME since I don't have the room or equipment yet for all-grain brewing. This is based on a Scottish ale with a final volume of 5.5gals and 8% ABV. The Scots brewed their ales with oats, barley and whatever herbs were grown (usually bog myrtle and yarrow).


Grain bill

13 pounds / 6 Kg english pale malt
4 pounds / 2 Kg crystal malt
3 pounds / 1.3 Kg German pilsner malt (roasted at 350F / 175C for 20min)
2 pounds / 1 Kg German Munich malt


cups corn sugar for priming
1 tbs. irish moss


2 onces / 50-60g of Yarrow
2 onces / 50-60g of Wild rosemary
2 onces / 50-60g of Bog myrtle


Wyeast 1028 London Ale


1. Mash in grains in 5 gallons of water at 180F / 80C.

2. Perform saccharification rest for 85 minutes at 156F / 70C.

3. Mash out for 10 minutes at 165F / 74C.

4. Sparge with 6 gallons / 23L at 170F / 76C.

5. Collect wort into brew kettle and boil for 30 minutes before adding gruit herbs.

6. Add 1 once / 28g of each of each herb for a 30 minute boil.

7. Strain and cool to 70F / 21C, pour in fermenter and add yeast.

8. Hang the remaining 1 once / 28g of each herb in a muslin bag in the fermenter.

9. Ferment until complete, siphon into bottles, prime and cap

I'd like the tweak this, does anything think I can start with some flaked oats and barley in a muslin bag, steep the grains, add LME and then start at Step 5?
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit

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Old 05-14-2012, 03:41 AM   #2
Feb 2012
Oakland, CA
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I made a gruit just as you're describing, except gluten-free, with rice syrup and brown sugar instead of malt. I used flaked oats and malted quinoa as steeping grains IIRC, steeped in a muslin bag. Same herbs and everything, except I did 1 oz each in the boil and 1 oz each dry-herbing in secondary after boiling them. It was only my third batch of gluten-free beer ever, but it came out really strong (10-11%, I think...I didn't really intend that, I just didn't know how to calculate gravity at that point and kinda just guessed) and kinda medicinal tasting. Not bad, just weird! Might probably taste a lot better not gluten-free, but the herb combination sure is strange. I'd say try making a small tea first and trying that, before you go and brew it. My feeling is it make a great winter seasonal. Definitely wouldn't play well with hops.

So yeah, totally add some steeping grains.

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