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Old 01-12-2014, 07:42 PM   #641
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Crap, I wish I had done a little more research on this strain and the starter needed before I jumped into my first all Brett beer.

I thought it looked a little different from other wlp vials as there was not as much sediment in the bottom as there usually is. I didn't think much of it til today.

I brewed a 50% Belgian Pale, 50% Wheat beer yesterday, 1.053 OG. Hopped with all Nelson Sauvin to about 40 IBU's. I pitched 2 vials of 644 right into the carboy. It's been about 20 hours & I have zero activity. Guess all I can do is wait & see what happens.


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Old 01-13-2014, 12:48 AM   #642
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Well my grossly under pitched beer I ended up tossing! Personally, I would suggest throwing in a vial of a Belgian yeast of some kind but not sure if that will help by the time you get it and tore it in. Not sure as I haven't done more than 2 full Brett beers but good luck!


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Old 01-13-2014, 12:53 AM   #643
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Crap, I wish I had done a little more research on this strain and the starter needed before I jumped into my first all Brett beer.

I thought it looked a little different from other wlp vials as there was not as much sediment in the bottom as there usually is. I didn't think much of it til today.

I brewed a 50% Belgian Pale, 50% Wheat beer yesterday, 1.053 OG. Hopped with all Nelson Sauvin to about 40 IBU's. I pitched 2 vials of 644 right into the carboy. It's been about 20 hours & I have zero activity. Guess all I can do is wait & see what happens.
Two vials should be plenty. It will work. Just give it time. I did a standard starter for my 100% Brett Trois beer - just like any ale strain - and it turned out to be one of the best beers I ever made.

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Old 01-14-2014, 02:06 AM   #644
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Two vials should be plenty. It will work. Just give it time. I did a standard starter for my 100% Brett Trois beer - just like any ale strain - and it turned out to be one of the best beers I ever made.

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Yeah, it seemed to pick up last night and is going good now. I'm just not used to that much lag time.

I still have 1 vial of 644 Im planning to use with something else. I will definitely make a starter with that first. I'm gonna have this cake too, I was thinking about a Fruit Beer maybe when this is done.
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any had issues with acetone aroma/mild flavor with this strain?

I have a ~ 2month old berliner weisse (no boil) that I soured the wort for a few days in a corny and then pitched a large starter of Trois and it has a nose/taste of acetone. My starter for my upcoming Trois XPA has the same nose on it as well
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Yeah, it seemed to pick up last night and is going good now. I'm just not used to that much lag time.

I still have 1 vial of 644 Im planning to use with something else. I will definitely make a starter with that first. I'm gonna have this cake too, I was thinking about a Fruit Beer maybe when this is done.
I'm guessing if you have been doing your homework since your last pitch you know this, but just make sure you give your starter a long period of time to grow. I believe it is usually about 20 something days that was suggested from Chad Yakobson from Crooked stave. There are I guess three stages of growth in brett growth. Interesting stuff!
Good luck with your one batch, hopefully it will turn out better than mine did!
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any had issues with acetone aroma/mild flavor with this strain?

I have a ~ 2month old berliner weisse (no boil) that I soured the wort for a few days in a corny and then pitched a large starter of Trois and it has a nose/taste of acetone. My starter for my upcoming Trois XPA has the same nose on it as well
I've had a few starters that smelt like this, but never a finished beer (so far). If you look at Chad Yakobson's research, he found that some strains of brett produce higher levels of ethyl acetate when pitched into pre-soured wort (see here, p.20, 32), so that might explain what you're seeing. I would give it more time though, as these flavours might dissipate or be further modified by the brett.
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Acetone smell is ethyl acetate and sure fire evidence of acetobacter infection. Limiting air contact is key to preventing this, as alcohol is converted by acetobacter into acetic acid in the presence of oxygen. The acetate will then react with some ethanol, making ethyl acetate.

If the acetone is real bad you can blend. It's pleasant and fruity at lower concentrations. Doesn't really age out tho, at least not after a year in my experience.
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Just put together an all citra wheat APA with all brett trois. Made a quick starter for 5 days then pitched, had activity in the fermentor in 12hrs. Bubbling away steadily at 72, blowoff smells delicious!

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Old 02-18-2014, 01:18 AM   #650
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One gallon of 1800 Whitbread London Porter.
The Durden Park recipe says"quality ale yeast", doesn't get much more quality than BBT

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