Designing Great Beers - Home Brew Forums
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing > Designing Great Beers

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-02-2012, 02:57 AM   #1
goosegrease
Recipes 
 
Nov 2011
Portage, In
Posts: 131
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts



I enjoyed reading this book. A great deal of useful information. Is there a newer book available with similar updated info?


__________________
IRON NIPPLE BREWERY

DEMONSTRABLY EXCITED ABOUT BEER

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 03:05 AM   #2
brettwasbtd
Awesomeness Award Winnner
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
brettwasbtd's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Apr 2010
Damascus, MD
Posts: 1,802
Liked 161 Times on 117 Posts


Yes its called Brewing Classic Styles 80 Winning Recipes Anyone Can Brew by Jamil Zainasheff and John Palmer...

Semi-Joking Aside - I beleive it is rumored that Ray Daniels is contemplating, or in the works of writing a new edition. You have to understand that it is a pretty large undertaking as it requires analyzing a bunch of current commercial examples and NHC recipes of a style. A lot of the NHC recipes entered in the past few years ARE based off of Jamil's recipes in the aforementioned book. Designing great beers offers great insights on the different variations of how to approach a style it is a really valuable resource



 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 03:28 AM   #3
goosegrease
Recipes 
 
Nov 2011
Portage, In
Posts: 131
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by brettwasbtd View Post
Yes its called Brewing Classic Styles 80 Winning Recipes Anyone Can Brew by Jamil Zainasheff and John Palmer...

Semi-Joking Aside - I beleive it is rumored that Ray Daniels is contemplating, or in the works of writing a new edition. You have to understand that it is a pretty large undertaking as it requires analyzing a bunch of current commercial examples and NHC recipes of a style. A lot of the NHC recipes entered in the past few years ARE based off of Jamil's recipes in the aforementioned book. Designing great beers offers great insights on the different variations of how to approach a style it is a really valuable resource
Agreed, but a lot of the information is twenty plus years old.
__________________
IRON NIPPLE BREWERY

DEMONSTRABLY EXCITED ABOUT BEER

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 04:18 AM   #4
Phunhog
Recipes 
 
Sep 2008
Posts: 2,041
Liked 173 Times on 130 Posts


I like Designing Great Beers but it is starting to show its' age. A lot of the newer hops (Simcoe, Amarillo, Citra, etc..) were not even around when the book was written. I have heard the same that Daniels is working on a 2nd Edition. I think it still works though for classic British and German beers that rely on traditional ingredients.
__________________
Check out my nanobrewery!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Two...02323289804018

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 02:34 PM   #5
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2006
UP of Michigan, Winter Texan
Posts: 69,047
Liked 7616 Times on 5360 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by brettwasbtd View Post
Semi-Joking Aside - I beleive it is rumored that Ray Daniels is contemplating, or in the works of writing a new edition. You have to understand that it is a pretty large undertaking as it requires analyzing a bunch of current commercial examples and NHC recipes of a style. A lot of the NHC recipes entered in the past few years ARE based off of Jamil's recipes in the aforementioned book. Designing great beers offers great insights on the different variations of how to approach a style it is a really valuable resource
Yes, when I asked him about this (in June 2010) he mentioned he was just then starting the process with the publisher on updating the book. He told me that he would be "a while", but I didn't ask any further. I think an update would be great.
__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 06:50 PM   #6
bethebrew
Recipes 
 
Mar 2012
Portland, OR
Posts: 505
Liked 34 Times on 30 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
Yes, when I asked him about this (in June 2010) he mentioned he was just then starting the process with the publisher on updating the book. He told me that he would be "a while", but I didn't ask any further. I think an update would be great.
As I sit and that's the book on my floor I won't argue. Classic book IMO. Who cares if it's 20 years old? I like to look at it as a bit of a disinformation book in a way. Like how the hell did all those extract brewers get such high scores with such weak recipes? Ray tells you. The fruit category in particular makes me laugh. Enough freakin' raspberry extract wheat folks!

OK done with rant it's a cool book hope he does a 2nd edition I will buy it. Go Ray!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #7
ayoungrad
Recipes 
 
Sep 2010
Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,102
Liked 11 Times on 11 Posts


I think the book is still really great and useful. The first part is a good intro into how to design your own recipes without using software. And the style analysis in the second part (for the styles that are discussed) is still very relevant.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 07:04 PM   #8
BeerDoctor5
Recipes 
 
Feb 2012
Middleton, WI
Posts: 108
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts


I just started brewing and it has really helped me out when creating recipes. I love it and would buy the updated version in a second.
__________________
Primary-Rye IPA (6/16/12)
Primary-Crapple Wine (5/7/12)
Primary-EdWort's Apfelwein (6/16/12)


Bottled-Backbreaker Blonde Ale, HighwAyPA, EdWort's Apfelwein

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 01:51 AM   #9
goosegrease
Recipes 
 
Nov 2011
Portage, In
Posts: 131
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts


I agree with you all, there is a lot of great information in this book! My original question still stands, any other similar resources out there, that are more recent?
Thanks,
Jim
__________________
IRON NIPPLE BREWERY

DEMONSTRABLY EXCITED ABOUT BEER

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 03:49 AM   #10
ReverseApacheMaster
Registered User
Recipes 
 
Jul 2009
Keller, Texas
Posts: 4,882
Liked 254 Times on 196 Posts


Brewing Better Beer by Gordon Strong came out a year or two ago. It gets some bad reviews but I just picked it up and started reading it. He's definitely opinionated and it seems to be more focused on the overall process but he -- almost casually -- brings up small points a lot of people may not think about.

Jamil's book, also not specifically about recipe formation, is a great starting point for building on a solid recipe without reinventing the wheel.

There are also a few books that discuss particular styles in depth and talk about recipe formation, including Brewing with Wheat, Brew Like a Monk and Wild Brews.



 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Great Question: Fruit beers and gravity potential tetrylone All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 14 11-05-2013 01:40 PM
Designing my first Belgian, am I on the right track? phuff7129 All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 8 02-18-2012 10:06 PM
need help designing mattybrews All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 2 05-04-2009 09:36 AM
Designing a batch sparge experiment Bobby_M All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 18 05-15-2008 12:20 AM
Opinions, please. First beer I'm designing (sorta'...) drayman86 All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 8 06-25-2007 09:18 AM


Forum Jump