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Old 05-02-2012, 01:28 AM   #21
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+ to the chinook for pine. U can't go wrong.


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Old 05-02-2012, 01:59 PM   #22
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Although I didn't' get as much pine as I wanted from my Chinook SMaSH, it was still a very tasty beer. Your perception of pine might be different from mine own as well. I say go for it!


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Old 05-03-2012, 12:39 AM   #23
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Chinook it is. Thanks guys
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:58 AM   #24
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Simcoe, my all time favorite doesn't do pine for me. I get lots of grapefruit, peachy, cat piss notes from simcoe.
Interesting. It is being mentioned a lot here, but hey, every pallate is different. I just did a Simcoe SMaSH and it is lots of pine to the wife and I.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:12 AM   #25
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I don't get a lot of pine from Simcoe or Northern Brewer to be honest. That's not to say that I don't enjoy them (Simcoe moreso than Northern Brewer).
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:22 AM   #26
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Not to take us too off topic, but pilgrims sometimes used pine needles for their new world beers.

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Old 05-03-2012, 01:32 AM   #27
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Historic ales of Scotland use pine needles in a beer called ALBA and it is fanstastic. I believe thats gaelic for pine. I also have a favorite pine used beer by nova scotia's Garrison brewery. Im going to be trying pine needles in an upcoming brew myself just not sure when and what
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Interesting. It is being mentioned a lot here, but hey, every pallate is different. I just did a Simcoe SMaSH and it is lots of pine to the wife and I.
I think all hops have some pine notes. That is the nature of the beast as they say but some are dominated by it and others dominated by other more pronounced notes like citrus. Simcoe is so high in AA that while those piney resins present themselves most people find that citrus is what dominates. Taste /smell is one of those senses that people will always interpret differently though so I am not here to discredit what you are saying.

Another thing could be (and I don't know this for sure) but I wonder if hops can change their characteristics from citrus to pine or vice versa if significantly aged or improperly stored? Maybe someone more knowledgeable could answer that.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:21 PM   #29
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Not to take us too off topic, but pilgrims sometimes used pine needles for their new world beers.

http://www.beerinstitute.org/tier.asp?bid=141
+1 for Plymouth Brewing! I call my "brewery" Pilgrim Abbey. Very suprised that Mayflower hasn't tried on of these yet. They put quotes from the Pilgrims writing about their beer on their website and such. Nice link!
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I agree with Chinook for piney.

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I think all hops have some pine notes. That is the nature of the beast as they say but some are dominated by it and others dominated by other more pronounced notes like citrus. Simcoe is so high in AA that while those piney resins present themselves most people find that citrus is what dominates. Taste /smell is one of those senses that people will always interpret differently though so I am not here to discredit what you are saying.

Another thing could be (and I don't know this for sure) but I wonder if hops can change their characteristics from citrus to pine or vice versa if significantly aged or improperly stored? Maybe someone more knowledgeable could answer that.
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I realize this is an extremely late response to your thesis about hop characteristics, but I figured better late than never. First off, this is my first post, but I am a long time stalker and I greatly value all the wisdom and help on this site. This last spring I established a 1/4 acre hop farm and I feel that growing hops allowed me to gain appreciation and some hands on insight in regards to hop aroma. This is simply my personal experience, but I believe that you are absolutely correct about hop characteristics changing due to age and storage. In fact I noticed that my row of Summit hops varied from a onion/garlic aroma to a wonderful tangerine. Some plants had an incredible aroma and others were muddy or unfavorable. The harvest/storage was by far the trickiest aspect of growing. During the short drying/curing process I noted that some of the Columbus changed from spicy to dank and all of my Chinook changed from a strong grapefruit aroma to an aggressive pine smell with a light citrus backbone. This was certainly an odd experience for me and I have even more respect for the hop farmers of the world.

I apologize for going so far off topic.

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