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Old 05-01-2012, 02:52 PM   #11
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I'll be brewing a cream ale this weekend, with 2 lbs of flaked maize in the grain bill. Sounds like something I might incorporate into my mash procedure, thanks for sharing the info!

 
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:47 PM   #12
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Thanks for the insight, kcpup. I might try that next time around to see if it changes anything.

This morning I did not do the protein rest like I said I was going to do. It was a last second decision, but I mashed at 153 and said forget the protein rest. My efficiency was 72%, and I was estimating 70%. I verified this by running the preboil gravity through the hydrometer calculator on qbrew, which compensated for the temp difference. My OG was a couple points higher than what I was estimating too. All in all, it looks like the no protein rest route didn't really affect much. We will see how it turns out in a few weeks. I will use this as a baseline and compare some new methods when I do this recipe again. I'll be looking forward to it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:36 PM   #13
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This morning I did not do the protein rest like I said I was going to do. It was a last second decision, but I mashed at 153 and said forget the protein rest. My efficiency was 72%, and I was estimating 70%. I verified this by running the preboil gravity through the hydrometer calculator on qbrew, which compensated for the temp difference. My OG was a couple points higher than what I was estimating too. All in all, it looks like the no protein rest route didn't really affect much. We will see how it turns out in a few weeks. I will use this as a baseline and compare some new methods when I do this recipe again. I'll be looking forward to it.
Keep in mind that the purpose of doing a step mash is not so much brewhouse or mash efficiency but rather the taste and mouthfeel of the finished beer (and perhaps getting to a lower final gravity).

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the purpose of a step mash is to affect efficiency.

 
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:01 PM   #14
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Keep in mind that the purpose of doing a step mash is not so much brewhouse or mash efficiency but rather the taste and mouthfeel of the finished beer (and perhaps getting to a lower final gravity).

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the purpose of a step mash is to affect efficiency.
I agree with you Patrick. I think that it is possible that some modification is taking place here that could lead to more conversion later but I feel that the main reason to do this step anyway is to affect mouthfeel by getting more proteins into the mash. I don't think that I would go to the trouble of doing a protein step if it was just for another gravity point or two.

 
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:41 AM   #15
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This brings up another more generic step mash question. I was reading an old brewing techniques article and the author talked about putting hot tap water in the mash tun then douging in and turning on heat until you get to your first rest temp (protien rest in this case). What is the disadvantage of doing this? Will you lose more body and end up with thin beer? With an automated system it would remove the strike temp calculation from the process and simplify things a little bit. It would also remove the issue of starting out too hot if you miss the strike temp.

PS - don't mean to hijack the OP's thread....
Late responding, but I would never use hot tap water, even if it's filtered. No telling how long your water was in the tank, the evils that lurk in there, etc. My rule of thumb is to only use filtered cold tap water (after letting it run a minute or two) or buy my water.

 
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:53 AM   #16
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I agree with you Patrick. I think that it is possible that some modification is taking place here that could lead to more conversion later but I feel that the main reason to do this step anyway is to affect mouthfeel by getting more proteins into the mash. I don't think that I would go to the trouble of doing a protein step if it was just for another gravity point or two.
John palmer describes the protein rest as allowing enzymes to break down the larger proteins that are in moderately modified malts which cause haze and reduce head retention. That sounds to me like it will mostly affect appearance and body.

To me splitting your less modified malts from your full mod malts seems like a great idea. That way you break down the large proteins while still leaving in tact the smaller ones that act as nutrients for your yeast. Just takes a bit of care to dough in the rest of your grain and still hit your sacc temp.

 
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:43 AM   #17
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+1 to this perspective. Only exception I've encountered is for adjuncts. The lower temp rest does aid in conversion of those. (Flaked oats, etc) Well modified malts it's mainly to prevent chill haze.

 
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:42 AM   #18
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John palmer describes the protein rest as allowing enzymes to break down the larger proteins that are in moderately modified malts which cause haze and reduce head retention. That sounds to me like it will mostly affect appearance and body.

To me splitting your less modified malts from your full mod malts seems like a great idea. That way you break down the large proteins while still leaving in tact the smaller ones that act as nutrients for your yeast. Just takes a bit of care to dough in the rest of your grain and still hit your sacc temp.

Except that nearly every malt out there is so modified that a protein rest is not only unnecessary, it can be detrimental.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:15 AM   #19
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Except that nearly every malt out there is so modified that a protein rest is not only unnecessary, it can be detrimental.
True...unmalted grains, i.e. flaked, would benefit from the protein rest the most. Also all the more reason to do a separate step mash on the unmalted grains.


 
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:22 AM   #20
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True...unmalted grains, i.e. flaked, would benefit from the protein rest the most. Also all the more reason to do a separate step mash on the unmalted grains.
In my experience, still unnecessary.
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