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Old 04-18-2012, 01:12 AM   #1
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Default Help formulating a citrus-forward pale recipe

Hey guys. First of all, please excuse my lack of full knowledge here. I know this may seem a bit undetailed...hence my asking for help though!

Anyway, have a cool opportunity to go brew at the Sweetwater Brewery in Atlanta next week for winning a contest.

We are set to brew an aggressively hopped citrus-forward pale ale with a honey/honeysuckle element as well.

This is what I have to play with below. Please help me come up with a more specific recipe, any and all insight would be very appreciated!

We are going to a refreshing pale with a nice citrus profile....grapefruit/orange specifically but flexible there based on the ingredients below. We are kind of at the mercy of these onhand here but I could always swing by a homebrew store.

Grains:
Two Row
Munich
Wheat
medium dark Crystal mal

Hops:
Centennial - 2 oz
Amarillo - 2 oz
Glacier - 3 oz
Citra - 2 oz

Adjuncts available:
Grapefruit peel
orange peel
lime peel (1/2 oz each)

Fermentables:
Honey
priming sugar

Yeast:
Ameican Ale
American Ale II
Northwest Ale


Was thinking of dryhopping with some citra and glacier and also some fresh honeysuckle petals.


Please let me know, thanks again!


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Old 04-18-2012, 01:27 AM   #2
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Is this a commercial sized batch? I assume not with the small amount of hops.

Personally I would pull most of the citrus from the hops; Citra, Centennial and Amarillo.
No high alpha bittering hops at your disposal? Seems a shame to use those great aroma hops for the bittering.

Maybe Centennial at 30, Citra at 15 and Amarillo at 5 Orange peel at 10 min

75% 2-row
10% Wheat
10% Munich
5% Crystal

American Ale II

I'd need more info about batch size to help much more.

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Old 04-18-2012, 01:35 AM   #3
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Here's my attempt:

EDIT: for a 5 lb batch

For Grains
10# 2-row
2# munich
1# wheat
(i say skip the crystal, unless you need color adjustments)

Mash @ 150-152

For Hops:
1oz Centennial - First Wort
.5 oz EACH of Amarillo AND Citra @ 20, 10, 5, and 0
Dryhop with Honeysuckle and vodka-soaked zests, and Coriander.

Per Beersmith, thats 1.068 OG, 76 IBUs, and 6.2 SRM

I'd pitch the American Ale yeast as well.

As far as the honey goes, i dont know it'd do much to impart any flavors against all those intensely flavorful hops. You shouldnt need it to dry out the beer, either, since there's no Crystal malts.
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Thanks guys, great stuff.


It's for a 5 gallon cask batch recipe btw. Will be available at a local beer fest coming up.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:54 AM   #5
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Hey Timbrewz,


How much of the 3 hops and orange peel?

1 oz per?
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If you can, I would get some Simcoe and Cascade to throw in there as well. Sorachi Ace would also be a nice aroma and dryhop twist with the lemon peel quality it has.

I don't think Centennial has a good citrus quality to it, so i would use it to bitter this recipe, which it does very well (good, smooth bittering quality). I like Simcoe at 20-30 minutes left and in dryhop to get a pine sap and grapefruit note. Citra can be anywhere, but has a really good post-boil and dryhop presence to me. The amarillo has one of the best aromas to me that is best utilized at 8 minutes left in the boil - sweet with a little bit of honey to it that should go well with the honeysuckle. I wouldn't use more than 1oz at 8 minutes left or it may overpower the honeysuckle though.

I would use a little bit of dextrine malt (or light crystal malt - 20L) so there is some residual sweetness. I would want to finish about 1.013-1.015 on the high side to have a little body, especially with 76 IBU.

good luck and let us know how the test batch turns out.
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Gambrinius honey for sweetness? Maybe 1/4#?
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Hey Timbrewz,


How much of the 3 hops and orange peel?

1 oz per?
Untitled Recipe
10-A American Pale Ale

Size: 5.0 gal
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 190.7 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.057 (1.045 - 1.060)
Terminal Gravity: 1.014 (1.010 - 1.015)
Color: 8.17 (5.0 - 14.0)
Alcohol: 5.63% (4.5% - 6.0%)
Bitterness: 47.1 (30.0 - 45.0)

Ingredients:
7.5 lb Premium 2-Row Malt
1.0 lb Munich 10L Malt
1.0 lb Midwest Wheat Malt
0.25 lb Medium Crystal Malt
.5 oz Citra™ (12.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
1.0 lb Honey
1.0 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added during boil, boiled 15.0 min
1.0 oz AmarilloŽ (8.9%) - added during boil, boiled 5 min
2.0 tsp Orange Peel (dried) - added during boil, boiled 5.0 min
1.0 oz Citra™ (12.0%) - steeped after boil

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m


Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3

Reason: Add honey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TimBrewz

Untitled Recipe
10-A American Pale Ale

Size: 5.0 gal
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 190.7 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.057 (1.045 - 1.060)
Terminal Gravity: 1.014 (1.010 - 1.015)
Color: 8.17 (5.0 - 14.0)
Alcohol: 5.63% (4.5% - 6.0%)
Bitterness: 47.1 (30.0 - 45.0)

Ingredients:
7.5 lb Premium 2-Row Malt
1.0 lb Munich 10L Malt
1.0 lb Midwest Wheat Malt
0.25 lb Medium Crystal Malt
.5 oz Citra™ (12.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
1.0 lb Honey
1.0 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added during boil, boiled 15.0 min
1.0 oz AmarilloŽ (8.9%) - added during boil, boiled 5 min
2.0 tsp Orange Peel (dried) - added during boil, boiled 5.0 min
1.0 oz Citra™ (12.0%) - steeped after boil

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.3
Looks like a good recipe to me. if you want it more bitter, add some citra in the 20-30 minute range. Also, dry hop to your liking.
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Nice guys, I like this a lot!


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