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Old 04-05-2012, 07:32 PM   #1
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I've brewed about 6 or 7 AG batches, and I've followed quite a few different ways to get that hop flavor I crave from beers like Stone and Troegs. I've done everything from doing the standard 60, 30, 5 additions to loading all the hops in the last 20, 10 and 5 minutes. But every batch I get is missing that hop bite to it. I've done as much as three ounces of hops the last 15 minutes. Need I do more or is there something I'm missing?

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:34 PM   #2
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Are you doing full or partial boils? Hop utilization is not as good in partial boils because of the concentrated wort. If this is the case, you could do late extract additions.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:35 PM   #3
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A. What hops have you been using?
B. What is the total amount of hops used in a brew?
C. Have you dry-hopped?

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:36 PM   #4

None of them are accurate - all of them are often wildly inaccurate under differing hop schedules. Pick one and get used to it is my advice.

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:37 PM   #5
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What kind of water are you using? Tap water, spring water, distilled water, etc? A bland hops flavor makes me think of water chemistry as an issue.

Can up post a typical recipe for one of the beers, along with any water information you have, and we can see if something stands out as an issue?
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:12 PM   #6
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Sure, I live in Arlington so I use Arlington water, http://www.arlingtonva.us/department.../file82103.pdf.

Here is an example of one recipe I used. I waited while this guy was in the keg for about 3 weeks before I drank it but it still didn't have the taste I was looking for. It wasn't supposed to be a hop explosion, but it just tasted bland:

14# 2 ROW
1# CRYSTAL 60
.25# CARAPILS

Mash at 152 for 60 minutes. Mash out and Sparge for 6 gallons (55% efficiency)

60 minute boil

.25 oz Warrior @ 60
1 oz Citra @20
1 oz Citra @ 10
1 oz Citra @ 5

Ferment with American Ale Yeast from Wyeast for one week
Rack to Secondary and add 1 oz Centennial and 1 oz Ahtanum for last 5 days.

Added gelatin solution to keg to clarify

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:23 PM   #7
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What do you mean by "hop bite?" Do you mean it's not bitter enough?
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:32 PM   #8
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Bitter, flavor. I crave that grapefruit flavor but I just don't get it.

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:34 PM   #9
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With that hop schedule you posted, I'd expect quite a bit of floral/citrus aroma but very little hop "bite" - a quarter ounce of Warrior just isn't that much for bittering.

I also suspect water chemistry may be playing a role - I dont see anything in that water report about sulfate & chloride content, the ratio of which is important in enhancing either hoppy or malty flavors.

 
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:35 PM   #10
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I did forget to mention, I use 5.2 stabilizer. But how would I make the water better then?

 
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