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Old 06-21-2007, 02:58 PM   #21
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NSPD 51 - hmm...perhaps not the best idea.

Now boycotting this thread before I say anything else.
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Old 06-21-2007, 04:56 PM   #22
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I do believe ryan inferred that you were "idiotic", Bill...
Nope just said the statement was. That sad part is I'm not that conservative, but compared to HB99's view I look way right.

 
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Old 06-21-2007, 05:06 PM   #23
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You are correct. There is not comparison, Hilter was an excellent public speaker...

Lest you forget, Hilter was also ELECTED!
Hitler Killed around 11 million innocent people because of their ethnic back ground and or religion. I fail to see the comparison. The main problem with all your "theory's" is you have no proof to back anything up. You take stuff that the government does and grossly blow them out of proportion. Comparing a labor camp to a concentration's camp is just as ridicules. But im sure someone as far left as your self thinks that their needs to be no law and order.

 
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Old 06-21-2007, 05:18 PM   #24
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Hitler Killed around 11 million innocent people because of their ethnic back ground and or religion. I fail to see the comparison. The main problem with all your "theory's" is you have no proof to back anything up. You take stuff that the government does and grossly blow them out of proportion. Comparing a labor camp to a concentration's camp is just as ridicules. But im sure someone as far left as your self thinks that their needs to be no law and order.
Not to get personal, but you need to go back to school...Hitler order/had killed OVER 28 MILLION people! Not only was it based upon ethnic background and religion, but highly trained intelligent people such as doctors, lawyers, teachers, then there's the unemployed, homeless, alcoholics, gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, deformed, nutjobs in the asylums, etc. Too bad all you learned about in school were the 6 million Jews (apparantly they had a good agent and got all the publicity).

Comparison? Hitler built the autobahn. Of course, Eisenhower came back from Germany and started our interstate program in 1954. I wonder where he got that idea??

Comparison? Bush wants to allow over 20 million illegals to live in this country. What effect do you think that will have on YOUR standard of living? Check the medical reports about how much medical costs are costing the hospitals by illegals with CA and TX alone! Don't you think that impacts welfare, medicare/cade insurance, life insurance, car insurance, unemployment taxes, income taxes, real estate taxes, etc? Why? Because they think they'll get votes from the ignorant masses.

These are great. I don't make them up, I just perpetuate them...

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Old 06-21-2007, 05:52 PM   #25
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Not to get personal, but you need to go back to school...Hitler order/had killed OVER 28 MILLION people! Not only was it based upon ethnic background and religion, but highly trained intelligent people such as doctors, lawyers, teachers, then there's the gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, nutjobs in the assylums, etc. Too bad all you learned about in school were the 6 milloin Jews. Apparantly they got all the publicity.

Comparison? Hitler also built the autobahn. Of course, Eisenhower came back from Germany and started our interstate program in 1954. I wonder where he got that idea??

COmparison? Bush wants to allow over 20 million illegals to live in this country. What effect do you think that will have on YOUR standard of living? Check the medical reports about how much medical costs are costing the hospitals by illegals with CA and TX!
No sorry the number of executions is just around 11 million. 6 million where Jewish people. then 5 million because of ethnic, other religion or Gender. Once again you inflate information.

Do I agree with Bush on immigration, hell no.

Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.


 
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Old 06-21-2007, 06:13 PM   #26
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Nope just said the statement was. That sad part is I'm not that conservative, but compared to HB99's view I look way right.
Well, there's a difference, especially these days, between "conservative" and "republican". And, not to nitpick, but the old "if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" shtick is a classic tool of authoritarians, rather than conservatives - be they democrats, republicans or communists - and it can and has been used to justify just about any draconian law or action one could dream up. There's virtually no principle or right that can't be circumvented by invoking that wrongheaded statement.

"Hey, look, the government installed little closed circuit video cameras in every room in my house! That's not right!" "Hey, man, if you're not doing anything wrong, then you've got nothing to worry about".
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Old 06-21-2007, 06:21 PM   #27
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Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.
It's been "proven" that ignorant people vote liberal? "Proven" by whom? Rush? O'Reilly? Come on. I'd love to see this scientific study, and also see how these social scientists who authored it defined "ignorant". Because I've known plenty of ignorant people on both sides of the aisle...from ignorant hippies who vote democrat because they think a democrat will somehow save us from global warming and war, to ignorant red-staters who vote republican based solely on abortion and church.

But by all means...let's see this study.
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Old 06-21-2007, 06:48 PM   #28
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No sorry the number of executions is just around 11 million. 6 million where Jewish people. then 5 million because of ethnic, other religion or Gender. Once again you inflate information.

Do I agree with Bush on immigration, hell no.

Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.
Sorry, our numbers are wrong, but mine are closer...one estimate is 26 million people:

http://www.catholicintl.com/noncatholicissues/overlooked.htm

The Holocaust was more than a Jewish event. Records kept by the Germans prove they exterminated millions of Communists, Czechs, Greeks, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, mentally and physically handicapped, Poles, resistance fighters, Russians, Serbs, Socialists, Spanish Republicans, trade unionists, Ukrainians, Yugoslavians, prisoners of war of many nations, and still others whose identity may never be recognized.(1) Their victims, according to one survivor of four different concentration camps, "were of some thirty nationalities, from Nepalese to Andorrans, and of a variety of racial and linguistic stocks ranging from Basques to Buriats and from Ladinos to Lapps".(2) When people were not immediately exterminated, they were sent to work and/or concentration camps. There the prisoners were divided into six penal categories and given patches on their clothing for identification purposes. Ordinary criminals were assigned green; political prisoners wore red; black was worn by asocials (slackers, prostitutes, procurers, etc.); homosexuals wore pink; conscientious objectors wore purple, and the Jewish people wore yellow.(3)
The Nazis sought to annihilate all Jews and all enemies of the state. Every Jew was to be wiped out, but not necessarily every Russian, Serb, or Yugoslavian. That millions of non-Jews were also killed demonstrates the determination and magnitude of the Nazi extermination program to eliminate anyone who could even remotely be considered an enemy of the state. Current estimates based on documents from Nazi war records, and official government documents of various countries, place the death toll of people murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust as conservatively over 15 million non-combatant people.(5) One official source estimates the number killed at 26 million.(6) However, "with the mass graves on the eastern front, exact figures will never be known".(7)
These figures represent a common denominator between Jews and Gentiles -- total lives lost. The "six million" figure used for Jewish lives lost during the Holocaust includes deaths attributable to starvation, beatings, street executions, concentration camp deaths, overwork, and relocations, to name just a few of the categories. Nazis targeted Jews for complete extermination and used whatever means were necessary and available. Many non-Jewish victims also died in concentration camps by gassing, lethal experiments, starvation, overwork, or beatings, but a greater number perished because of the aggressive tactics of the Nazis in rounding up their victims and in street assassinations.


Actually, I believe the ignorant don't vote and don't care what happens to them...
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:02 PM   #29
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My double checked numbers came from USHMM. The majority of sources I find on the internet find the number at around 11million. Their are only a few that have the number's at higher than 20 Million. As far as the ignorant, one word unions. My uncle is told every election to go vote for the democrat option.

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As far as the ignorant, one word unions. My uncle is told every election to go vote for the democrat option.
Just as I suspected. So when you said "it's been proven", what you really meant is "based on nonscientific anecdotal evidence involving my uncle and the unions, I'm guessing that ignorant people vote liberal". Just wanted to clear that up.

Not exactly "proof". More like "guess based on anecdote".
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