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Old 03-25-2012, 04:03 PM   #21
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Think of it this way. How do the pros do it? Brew ferment and serve in under two weeks, no secondary there.

Proper yeast pitching rates with healthy yeast and temperature control eliminate the need for secondary fermentation.

In his defense though, People who have been home brewing for a really long time experienced a time when good healthy yeast and fresh ingredients where hard to come buy. A secondary was needed to clean up the beer.



 
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:05 PM   #22
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Think of it this way. How do the pros do it? Brew ferment and serve in under two weeks, no secondary there.
Pros do yeast dumps out of the primary within a few days, and use separate bright tanks. So if the concept of "secondaries" comes from anywhere, it's pro brewing.


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Old 03-25-2012, 04:10 PM   #23
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Problem with imitating the pro's is that we're not anywhere near the scale they are. Issues that they face, we'll never encounter. WE don't have hundreds (or thousands) of gallons of beer sitting on the yeast cake. We also don't need to free up the fermenter for another batch quickly so that we can stay profitable.

I took a tour of a local brew pub last year that has no secondaries, leaves their batches (in 13 bbl conical fermenters) for 10-14 days before it goes to keg. They do partially carbonate in the fermenter, capturing excess CO2 into a tank.
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:23 PM   #24
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Pros do yeast dumps out of the primary within a few days, and use separate bright tanks. So if the concept of "secondaries" comes from anywhere, it's pro brewing.
A bright tank is just that, a place to put the beer and cool it down to freezing or just above freezing the facilitate the precipitation of polyphenols that contribute to chill haze. In addition cold beer can be carbonated at lower pressures, and CO2 is more soluble at lower temperatures.

 
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #25
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You guys are too funny. Bout to brew a batch today. IMO transferring to a secondary just runs more risk of infection.



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Old 03-25-2012, 07:50 PM   #26
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There are three possibilities in my eyes: he's trying to sell more expensive equipment, he hasn't read anything related to brewing in 20 years, or he's stupid. I would guess it is number 1 or 2. Probably 1. If it were my profit margin and livelihood on the line, I'd probably steer people to glass carboys too (even though I almost never use them). So, you really can't blame him (too much)...unless he was being a d!ck about it. Then, screw that guy!

PS - I almost never use secondaries, unless I need the larger fermenter buckets for another batch. Then I'll transfer to my 5 gal super-duper-fancy $2.99 Lowe's buckets so I can have the extra 1&1/2 gallons of headspace. The only time I use a glass carboy is if I'm aging something for more than three months, which is almost never.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:54 PM   #27

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One of my brew buddies is big on the 'old school' techniques. During an argument once, I told him that the Hanseatic League was trading world class beer in Northern Europe in the 13th Century. Catch my drift?
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #28
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Ha!

Like my peeps, the Old Order Amish, I consider zippers a sign of dangerous and god-less modernity and will not brew while wearing pants with zippers. Since all my pants have zippers . . .
Is elastic evil too? I should've read this thread earlier and saved my money by not buying the carboy and going with a cheaper starter kit.

 
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:47 PM   #29
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If there is one thing I have learned over the years, it's that everyone learned from someone/someplace, they have their own method, and they stick to what works.

I use a secondary for two reasons. 1) I like the added clarity. 2) Some of my batches involve dry hopping.

I also use a plastic bucket for primary, mostly because I don't have the space for all sorts of carboys. Buckets stack well

I take advice from my LHBS, but I never take crap attitudes from them.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:23 PM   #30
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Does anyone rack into a second plastic bucket for secondary and clarity?



 
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