Bells Oberon Clone - Page 13 - Home Brew Forums
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients > Bells Oberon Clone

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-15-2011, 11:22 PM   #121
AdamWiz
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 354
Liked 16 Times on 16 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by bmason1623 View Post
what's the batch size of this recipe?
Batch size is 5 gallons, boiling volume is about 5.75 gallons to allow for some evaporation. And I was mistaken about the IBUs being 23, it is actually closer to 27. According to Bell's, Oberon has 23 IBUs, but I did a slight miscalculation when converting from my extract recipe to all-grain. I didn't cut down the hop additions enough due to the larger boil volume. To keep the IBUs down to 23, you should cut down the 60 min. hops from 1 oz. to about 3/4 oz. Sorry about the mix-up, I have been in the process of updating all my recipes now that I have switched to mostly all-grain brewing.



 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 11:48 AM   #122
bmason1623
Recipes 
 
Sep 2010
Chicago, IL
Posts: 2,838
Liked 151 Times on 118 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWiz

Batch size is 5 gallons, boiling volume is about 5.75 gallons to allow for some evaporation. And I was mistaken about the IBUs being 23, it is actually closer to 27. According to Bell's, Oberon has 23 IBUs, but I did a slight miscalculation when converting from my extract recipe to all-grain. I didn't cut down the hop additions enough due to the larger boil volume. To keep the IBUs down to 23, you should cut down the 60 min. hops from 1 oz. to about 3/4 oz. Sorry about the mix-up, I have been in the process of updating all my recipes now that I have switched to mostly all-grain brewing.
If it close to the real thing?



 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 08:34 PM   #123
AdamWiz
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 354
Liked 16 Times on 16 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by bmason1623 View Post
Is it close to the real thing?
My extract recipe that this is based on was very close to the flavor and aroma of Oberon, the color was a little darker. I recently brewed this AG recipe for the first time, so it won't be ready for a week or two. But the sample I took tasted about the same, and the color was a little closer to Oberon than the extract version was. The real key is the Cascade dry hopping, since the aroma is a big part of Oberon(do at least 1 week, but 2 is better). And it will never be an exact clone unless you culture yeast from Bell's bottles. But I honestly think that I like the version I made with White Labs American hefeweizen better, even though it was not quite as much like Oberon. It is still a really tasty wheat beer with a lot of great citrusy hop aroma. I have a theory that I may have to test soon - I think that you could brew a lot of different basic wheat beer recipes, and as long as you use Hallertau for bittering, Saaz for aroma, and dry hop with Cascade, you will probably end up with a beer with most of the characteristics of Oberon. Maybe I'll try Jamil's American wheat beer recipe from "Brewing Classic Styles" but with the hops from my Oberon recipe.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 09:59 PM   #124
Tiber_Brew
It's about the beer.
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Tiber_Brew's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Apr 2010
Upper Peninsula, Michigan
Posts: 2,396
Liked 200 Times on 139 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWiz View Post
...And it will never be an exact clone unless you culture yeast from Bell's bottles. ...
It was my understanding that Bell's uses a neutral strain for bottle conditioning other than the primary fermenting strain. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Therefore, if this is true, culturing yeast from Bell's bottles wouldn't get you any closer to cloning the beer inside.

Anyone?

TB
__________________
On tap:
1. Imperial Oatmeal Espresso Stout 2. Michigan IPL 3. Kölsch 4. Altbier 5.[Nitrogen] Oat Blonde
Primary:
1. none 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none 6. none
Secondary:
1. Brett Ale 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none
Bottled:
About 23 gallons of beer & 3 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Rye Barrel aged DIPA, Altbier, Kölsch, Kentucky Common x2

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2011, 10:21 PM   #125
AdamWiz
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 354
Liked 16 Times on 16 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiber_Brew View Post
It was my understanding that Bell's uses a neutral strain for bottle conditioning other than the primary fermenting strain. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Therefore, if this is true, culturing yeast from Bell's bottles wouldn't get you any closer to cloning the beer inside.

Anyone?

TB
I was told by a very reliable source that they do use the same yeast as the primary fermentation to bottle condition. This was a couple years ago, though. So it is entirely possible that they changed.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 12:43 AM   #126
Tiber_Brew
It's about the beer.
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Tiber_Brew's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Apr 2010
Upper Peninsula, Michigan
Posts: 2,396
Liked 200 Times on 139 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWiz View Post
I was told by a very reliable source that they do use the same yeast as the primary fermentation to bottle condition. This was a couple years ago, though. So it is entirely possible that they changed. From what I know about Larry, I wouldn't doubt he would switch to a neutral conditioning strain just to keep people from trying to brew his beer. He recently threatened to sue Northern Brewer over their clone kit for two hearted ale, as if allowing someone to sell a homebrewing clone kit somehow paves the way for Anheuser Busch to start producing their own two hearted ale.
I guess until there's proof that they don't use a neutral strain to bottle condition, I wouldn't put forth the effort to culture the yeast from a Bell's bottle. I hope I'm wrong, but I have heard that they did go that route.

I did hear about that threat to sue from Bell's. The kit was called "Three Hearted Ale" and the lawyers at Bell's didn't think too kindly of it. I'm not so sure that they genuinely felt threatened by the recipe, but it was probably along the lines of "your name is too close to ours" or something like that.

I had pretty good success with my Oberon-ish recipes using the Chico strain, American wheat, and the East Coast Ale strains. I'm sure non are the actual strain used by Bell's, but I liked my version much much better. As did the members of the homebrew club I'm a member of. I guess that's what it's all about, right?

TB
__________________
On tap:
1. Imperial Oatmeal Espresso Stout 2. Michigan IPL 3. Kölsch 4. Altbier 5.[Nitrogen] Oat Blonde
Primary:
1. none 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none 6. none
Secondary:
1. Brett Ale 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none
Bottled:
About 23 gallons of beer & 3 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Rye Barrel aged DIPA, Altbier, Kölsch, Kentucky Common x2

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 01:00 AM   #127
AdamWiz
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 354
Liked 16 Times on 16 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiber_Brew View Post
I liked my version much much better. As did the members of the homebrew club I'm a member of. I guess that's what it's all about, right?

TB
My thoughts exactly. I don't really try too hard to precisely "clone" beers anymore. I would rather just use a beer I like as inspiration and make something similar. It is fun to try to tweak a clone recipe to make it more to my specific tastes, rather than being obsessed about things like getting the color exactly the same. No beer is perfect - even beers I really like usually have some subtle changes I would want to make when I brew them.

Tiber_Brew Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 01:02 AM   #128
Tiber_Brew
It's about the beer.
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Tiber_Brew's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Apr 2010
Upper Peninsula, Michigan
Posts: 2,396
Liked 200 Times on 139 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWiz View Post
My thoughts exactly. I don't really try too hard to precisely "clone" beers anymore. I would rather just use a beer I like as inspiration and make something similar. It is fun to try to tweak a clone recipe to make it more to my specific tastes, rather than being obsessed about things like getting the color exactly the same. No beer is perfect - even beers I really like usually have some subtle changes I would want to make when I brew them.
That just about sums it up.

TB
__________________
On tap:
1. Imperial Oatmeal Espresso Stout 2. Michigan IPL 3. Kölsch 4. Altbier 5.[Nitrogen] Oat Blonde
Primary:
1. none 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none 6. none
Secondary:
1. Brett Ale 2. none 3. none 4. none 5. none
Bottled:
About 23 gallons of beer & 3 gallons of mead
Kegged & conditioning:
Rye Barrel aged DIPA, Altbier, Kölsch, Kentucky Common x2

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 02:27 AM   #129
TheBrewinator
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Recipes 
 
Nov 2010
Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 298
Liked 15 Times on 11 Posts


They sent a cease and desist letter, they never threatened to sue, big difference. They basically sent a hard copy version of phone call asking them to change the name.

Having said that, I recently cultured the yeast from their pale ale and made a two hearted clone, it is almost spot on. I have a different IPA fermenting with the strain right now as well. Even if it is a different strain, its good stuff from the one batch I have done with it.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2011, 02:33 AM   #130
AdamWiz
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 354
Liked 16 Times on 16 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBrewinator View Post
Even if it is a different strain, its good stuff from the one batch I have done with it.
Agreed. Whatever yeast it is in the bottles, it works well. And I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that sending a cease and desist letter is basically saying "knock it off or we will sue you". It certainly is not saying "please do us a favor and stop it, but if you don't that's OK too". If suing has nothing to do with it, then why are such letters sent by attorneys? Not looking to start an argument, though. I know there are 2 very divided camps on this one.



 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oberon Clone bobbo Recipes/Ingredients 13 05-29-2012 12:56 PM
Oberon Clone AHS Preiff Recipes/Ingredients 6 02-20-2009 07:22 PM
Brewing Bells Oberon Clone tonight cweston All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 7 06-09-2007 02:51 AM
Bells Oberon is back for the summer!! Tophe Commercial Brew Discussion 3 03-31-2007 12:56 AM
Oberon Clone jettaman Recipes/Ingredients 14 12-21-2005 06:12 PM


Forum Jump