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Old 03-18-2012, 07:23 PM   #1
SailorTodd
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Good idea or not?

I want to brew an Amarillo IPA, and thought about trying FWH with the Amarillo. the recipe would look something like this:

10# 2-row
2# Munich 10L
.5# Crystal 20L

2oz Amarillo (8.5aa) FWH
1oz Amarillo @15min
1oz Amarillo @2
1oz Amarillo DH at 5 days.

WLP001 California Ale yeast

My concern with FWH is that Amarillo is a moderately high AA hop, and the guidance I've read in the past has been to only practice FWH with low AA hops. It seems to me that Amarillo is slightly above the threshold on this, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?

Let me know what you think, and what adjustments you might make to my recipe.


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Old 03-19-2012, 12:52 AM   #2
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I wouldn't worry about the alpha per say. However amarillo has unusually high mercyne (spelling), which when boiled a lot can have a petrolium taste. And since amarillo is so scarce this year I would use it where it really counts, near the end of the boil for flavor and aroma additions. There are plenty of economical and abundant varieties that you can use. Summit would be great and I think you would totally be fine fwhing with it.



 
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:36 AM   #3
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I FWH Amarillo all the time, I wouldn't bitter with it, but the FWH definitely comes through without petroleum tastes.

 
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:36 PM   #4
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I'm assuming when you fwh you are removing those hops before the boil gets going. Looking at his recipe it looks like he's leaving them in and using the fwh for bittering as well.

 
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:58 PM   #5
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Nobody removes FWH hops before boiling.

 
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:21 PM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sucram2202
I wouldn't worry about the alpha per say. However amarillo has unusually high mercyne (spelling), which when boiled a lot can have a petrolium taste. And since amarillo is so scarce this year I would use it where it really counts, near the end of the boil for flavor and aroma additions. There are plenty of economical and abundant varieties that you can use. Summit would be great and I think you would totally be fine fwhing with it.
I agree with this statement for the most part, but I love me some summit so I like to save those for late additions too, however FWH with summit does work well. I bitter most of my brews with nugget.

 
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:10 PM   #7
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I don't remove my FWH, I essentially just skip bittering additions in most beers. With the limited availability of Amarillo, I would avoid bittering with it, as you could use any high alpha with the type of bittering you are after in lieu of it.

 
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:28 PM   #8
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Hmm, I haven't had any experience with Summit yet. The characteristics look interesting. With such high AA, I see that turning into a sharply bitter beer if I FWH with enough Summit for it to count.

I'd already been iffy about first wort hopping the Amarillo, considering other recipes that could still incorporate it. I may just bitter with a more traditional bittering hop (Magnum or Chinook) and saving Amarillo for flavoring and aroma.

Alternatively, I may be tabling the Amarillo idea and going with an all Chinook brew for now. I like what I'm reading about it...

Thanks for all of the insight.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:08 AM   #9
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FWH is adding flavour. I've gotten appreciable flavours from a half ounce of Amarillo as my FWH, of course it really all comes down to what you're trying to brew. The bitterness you perceive from FWH is different from the traditional 60 min bittering charge.

 
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:11 AM   #10
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Sorry, but what exactly is "fwh?"



 
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