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Old 03-12-2012, 07:09 PM   #1
Rubes
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I'm looking at the Smithwick's recipe from Brew Classic European Beers at Home and have a question about the boil time.

The recipe is:

8.1 lbs Pale malt (I'm using Maris Otter)
13.16 oz Crystal (I'm going to use 60-70L)

0.75 oz Challenger at start of boil
0.70 oz Northdown at start of boil
0.35 oz Fuggle 15 min
0.35 Goldings 5 min

Boil time: 90 minutes

Is a 90 minute boil really necessary here? I can't imagine DMS would be a problem in this recipe. I'd like to shorten the boil time to 60 minutes, but I don't know how drastically that will change the hop utilization. I also figured that a Smithwick's recipe would have some roasted barley, but I'll brew it this way and go from there.

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Old 03-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #2
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I would speculate that the longer boil is to darken the color. You can boil for 60 and possibly add some dark-er malt to compensate, maybe a small amount of pale chocolate or crystal 140. The shorter boil won't change your hop utilization very much, I would leave that as is.

 
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:10 PM   #3
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Is that the Graham Wheeler book? I think I have that somewhere.

He knows his stuff. Am sure you'd get away with a 60min boil, but I think he researched these recipes properly, so I'd be inclined to do what he says recipe wise.

His Brew Your Own British Real Ale book is my standard starting point for ideas to be honest. Just good, simple, spot on recipes.

 
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:20 PM   #4
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I hadn't considered that, beeber. Every recipe in the book uses a 90 minute boil, so I don't know if there's a specific reason for it if it was just a guideline.

Yes, it's the Graham Wheeler book. Thanks for the info, I'm glad to hear that his recipes are good. I will go with what the recipe says.

 
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:24 PM   #5
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Can I substitute Northdown with more Challenger?

 
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:24 PM   #6
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Mmmm, drinking a Smitty's right now!

 
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:00 PM   #7
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I bet a dollar or two that there 2-3% Roasted Barley in there.

 
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:31 AM   #8
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I think there is also, but I'll try the recipe this way first and go from there.

 
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Old 03-13-2012, 02:26 PM   #9
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Here's the recipe I used, and it was nearly perfect. The only thing it lacked was the slight biscuity note, I used 2 row pale instead of Maris Otter
9.5 Maris Otter
1 C60
9 oz carapils
3 oz Roast Barley

Mash @ 154 for an hour

Fuggle .5 oz for 60
EKG .5 oz 60 min
EKG .5 oz 20 min
Fuggle .5 oz 8 min

OG 1.051
FG 1.011

Wyeast Irish Ale fermented @ 64 degrees.

I don't remember where I found this recipe, but it turned out fantastic! Like I said, use the maris otter and you should pick up that little something that the 2row lacked.

I did a side by side comparison and that's when I detected it. My stepfather drinks Smithwick's and he loved it.

 
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:39 PM   #10
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Thanks wickman, did you do a 60 minute boil? Your recipe sounds closer to Smitty's than the one from the book, I had a feeling there should be some roasted barley. I'm just wondering now why my recipe calls for 4 different kinds of hops..

 
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