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Old 02-24-2012, 02:27 AM   #21
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Kegged 5 gallons and bottled 2 1/2 cases on Monday night. Will hopefully post some pictures once it's done. It has a really great aroma and a beautiful orange color. The beer is clear as a bell.

It looks like Brew MU might have been right - I think the Chinook clashes a bit with the Citra and before the next time we brew this, I'm going to tweak it by removing the Chinook from the FWH, doubling the Citra in the FWH, and pulling the Chinook from the late boil all together. I'll lose some IBUs, but hopefully lessen the Chinook bite and bring out more of the Citra flavors.

In any case, THIS batch is going to be drinkable at the very least, and after carbonation, some of the edge might be taken off. Time will tell.

As my brew buddy said, "We can't really expect to hit a homerun on the first swing."

I happen to think that we might have got a single.


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Old 03-09-2012, 09:40 PM   #22
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Took the beer to our monthly homebrew club for tasting on 03/01/2012. The general impression from the 20 or members that tried it was that the beer was a decent example of a Pale Ale. There were no rave reviews, but the comments were generally good as to clarity, mouthfeel, and aroma, but the taste received a mediocre response - mostly commented on the heavy citrus and grapefruit notes in the beer as well as the bitter back-end. Some members really liked it, others were less enthusiastic. I'll post some pictures soon.


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Old 03-10-2012, 03:15 AM   #23
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Thanks for the update I really appreciate it when folks follow through with their posts
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:01 PM   #24
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Here's a pic of the finished beer. Not sure if it's done carbonating, there's a bit of a head retention issue, but you can see the clarity and color really well.



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Old 03-15-2012, 10:54 AM   #25
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We entered this beer in a local homebrew competition to get some brutally honestfeedback. Competition is 3/24/12. Ill post some of the comments when we receive them.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:38 PM   #26
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We entered the beer in a local homebrew competition for some feedback and are awaiting the results. We do lnow that out if 26 beers on our category, it was not in the top three. Hopefully well get the judge results in the next few days and get some honedt criticism on it.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:12 PM   #27
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We have received the results from the B.O.S.S. Brewing Competition. I filled out an AHA Beer Score Sheet prior to receiving the results from the competition. I rated the beer as follows:

Aroma: 8/12
Appearance: 2/3
Flavor: 14/20
Mouthfeel: 3/5
Overall Impression: 5/10
TOTAL: 32/50

This rated as "Very Good" (roughly the same as "Average").

The final score in the competition was 34/50 - "Very Good"

The two judges who rated this beer had the following comments:

AROMA (9/12; 9/12)
"slight grassy piney hops, very nice!"
"slight fruity, esters, tropical"
"a hint of caramel and bread"
"piney, grassy hop aromas"

APPEARANCE (2/3; 3/3)
"medium gold, clear, off-white head, moderately lasts"
"very clear beer, light amber color with a head that does not hold for long"

FLAVOR (12/20; 12/20)
"very, very dry"
"astringency stale hop flavor that could be due to old hops"
"picking up musty taste, slightly oxidized, maybe"
"woody hops, some citrus, piney, crisp with moderate malt presence."
"slight sulfur presence"
"balance between hops and malt."

MOUTHFEEL (3/5; 4/5)
"medium body, smooth, no noticeable astringency"
"dry beer with little carbonation leaves a heavy dryness"
"after drinking, I pick up an alcoholic flavor in the nose"

OVERALL IMPRESSION (7/10; 7/10)
"It might just be old hops that you have used"
"Try to improve your fermentation temperatures and watch the amount of carbonation."
"A very good beer overall. Malt is present, perhaps could use a bit more malt for the balance."
"As the beer warms, it becomes a bit astringent and coppery."

MY COMMENTS
We used pellet hops for my batch, and it was fresh at the time. We knew that our carbonation would be an issue - our calculations for carbonation probably need to be tweaked - we were shooting for a 2.5 carbonation level, but perhaps we should be going for a somewhat higher number.

This beer was bottled and carbed using priming sugar (corn sugar), but we also kegged ten gallons of it and forced carbed it. The forced carbed beer does taste quite a bit better, and significantly different enough to be able to tell the two apart.

One of the judges mentioned oxidation as an issue - it's always possible, but I really think that our hops profile needs a tune up. For American Pale Ale's, the hops profile (aroma and flavor) is what has to be done right for the beer to be heading in the right direction.

From my own tasting of the beer, the aroma is really awesome, but the mouthfeel and taste of the beer are incongruent with that aroma. The beer smells like it will taste one way, and when you taste it, it does not meet that expectation. At least for me. We will be tweaking this recipe and brewing it again on 04/21. We are only changing the hop profile for this batch. We are still using all the same hops, but significantly cutting back our use of the Cascade, lowering the IBUs. If the hop profile comes out tasting good, subsequent brews will (hopefully) focus on the grain bill - seeking a slightly more full-bodied ale with a less-watery mouthfeel and better head retention (which is all about the mash, I guess).

Cheers to any and all who have been following. I'll post our final recipe for the second batch around brew day and go through the process again.
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Old 02-26-2015, 05:25 PM   #28
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I would move an ounce of the cascade to FWH, first wort hops. I've used cascade for bittering before and they work well.

I would also consider using a half ounce of Midnight Wheat instead of the Crystal 60 if you're using the C60 for color.


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