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Old 01-05-2012, 12:55 PM   #1
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I am going to recreate the Chocolate Cherry Stout I brewed a few months ago. However, this time I plan to add cocoa powder to the boil rather than cocoa nibs in the secondary. How much cocoa powder would I use for a three gallon batch?


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Old 01-05-2012, 04:25 PM   #2
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A tablespoon maybe? What problem did you have with the cocoa nibs?


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Old 01-05-2012, 04:31 PM   #3
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A tablespoon maybe? What problem did you have with the cocoa nibs?
That's a bit low.

I used 8 ounces of Hershey's sugar free cocoa and it wasn't enough to over come the cherry flavor. But I think I somehow screwed up on the cherry part. Anyway, 8 oz is reccommended for 5 gallons.
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8 ounces sounds about right. You may also want to factor in your recipe that the un-sweetened cocoa will add some bitterness (5-10ibu?), hop accordingly.
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Yeah, I use cocoa nibs. But he's not making 5 gal. And we have no other information to go on. Like how much chocolate malt is in the grain bill. I'm just throwing **** at a wall and seeing what sticks.
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Yeah, I use cocoa nibs. But he's not making 5 gal. And we have no other information to go on. Like how much chocolate malt is in the grain bill. I'm just throwing **** at a wall and seeing what sticks.
Well he needs to add more than a tablespoon, agreed ?
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I am going to recreate the Chocolate Cherry Stout I brewed a few months ago. However, this time I plan to add cocoa powder to the boil rather than cocoa nibs in the secondary. How much cocoa powder would I use for a three gallon batch?
I just cracked the first bottle of my bastardized schwarzbier (used an ale yeast instead of a lager, o.g. 1.052), which had two additions of Cocoa and Cinnamon added to the secondary (I boiled the mixture to kill any nasties, of course.. and also added 1 TBSP of sugar to create co2 to re-fill the headspace in my secondary).

Anyhoo, it was a 3gallon batch and I added a total of 4oz dutch-processed cocoa (from Penzey's, very fresh and chocolatey), and there's a strong cocoa aroma and flavor.

But since you're brewing a cherry stout, there may be some adjustments necessary:
-Chocolate has to compete with the roastiness of a stout.. maybe add 1oz
-Chocolate has to balance out with the cherry flavor (add or remove an oz depending on your preference)
-My OG was a mid-range 1.052, if yours is higher/lower you may want to compensate as well
-I added it to the secondary to avoid the primary fermentation driving off flavors/aromas.. so an extra oz might be worthwhile

All that being said, I'd recommend being slightly conservative in the boil, and then taking a sample at the end of fermentation and assessing how much cocoa goodness you'd like, and adjust as appropriate using the boiled slurry/sugar method. It may add an extra week as you'll want the beer to sit on the cocoa for a little while, but your patience will be rewarded.

Good luck!
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I use 8 oz. of unsweetened cocao per 5 gallons in the boil
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Damn iPhone!..,,

I also add some chocolate extract at kegging for added flavor and aroma.


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