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Old 12-24-2011, 10:17 PM   #1
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I'm really new. I have literally zero on hands experience with brewing/fermenting.
tl;dr at the bottom.
To explain: I'm a very science-y person, and I'm a fan of beer, etc.
I understand the basic science of everything I'm doing, though none of the hands on.
I'm experimenting with a different process in making, I guess, what would be a type sparkling wine when I'm all finished.
I'd go into it more, but from what I understand what I'm trying to do is.. illogical at best. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone trying to do what I'm doing, and because of that, and the fact I'm new I'd like to keep the snickers to a minimum. ; )
Though, I imagine if you guys are hospitable, many more questions will come and eventually, the full idea. (Or nothing at all if it fails miserably.)
Right now, my 'set-up' is very simple. Just a small half gallon jug and an airlock. Right now I'm basically fermenting sugar water. Its a cup and a half of corn sugar.
The yeast I'm using is EC-1118 Champagne.
Can anyone give me an idea of full fermentation timeline? Even just a ballpark guess?
Fermentation has started, although slowly. I pitched the yeast dry** into the mix at the suggested temp. for the yeast.*
*104-109F
**As suggested by the employee of the homebrew store I got the supplies from



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EC-1118 yeast.
Half Gallon
Cup and a half corn sugar.

How long would it take to ferment completely?


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Old 12-24-2011, 10:42 PM   #2
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General rule of thumb, 3-4 weeks in primary. It'll undoubtedly ferment out before that, but it's a good practice to leave your beer in primary for a bit after FG is reached.


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The best rule of thumb is to check you FG one it has stopped for three days fermantation has stopped. Some of us like to leave it on the yeast for a couple of extra weeks so the yaest can clean things up. Time can verry with temp so there is no set "how long will it take".
Sugar water? Please fill us in on the rest of the details.
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You did a cup and a half of sugar in 1/2 gallon of water? Let's see, that'd be about 1.25 pounds of sugar in 1/2 gallon of water. That should ferment out in 2-3 days, give or take a couple of days, depending on temperature.

You'll have a bad tasting liquid with approximately 16% ABV. EC-1118 will go up to 18% in a happy fermentation, but you added it way too hot. It may poop out before it gets to 16%.
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You did a cup and a half of sugar in 1/2 gallon of water? Let's see, that'd be about 1.25 pounds of sugar in 1/2 gallon of water. That should ferment out in 2-3 days, give or take a couple of days, depending on temperature.

You'll have a bad tasting liquid with approximately 16% ABV. EC-1118 will go up to 18% in a happy fermentation, but you added it way too hot. It may poop out before it gets to 16%.
I sidestepped that part of the OPs post and just answered his question about time. But I keep checking back to see if anyone commented on how fermented sugar water would turn out... I'm thinking it'd taste like watered down alcohol (like the rubbing variety of said liquid), seeing as brewers use sugar to dry out a beer without increasing flavor or body.
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I sidestepped that part of the OPs post and just answered his question about time. But I keep checking back to see if anyone commented on how fermented sugar water would turn out... I'm thinking it'd taste like watered down alcohol (like the rubbing variety of said liquid), seeing as brewers use sugar to dry out a beer without increasing flavor or body.
Oh, yes, it'll taste like ****, no doubt about that.

Sugar is commonly used in wines (particularly "country" fruit wines) to boost the ABV in low sugar fruits to make a wine in the 12-16% ABV area. . It works great for this purpose- usually at up to 2.5 pounds per gallons of wine, depending on the fruit being used. EC-1118 is used often, as it starts and goes fast, and is fairly neutral tasting.

But most often a sugar wash is used to make a substance which we cannot discuss here. In that case, the taste of the sugar wash doesn't matter a bit.
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Oh yeah, it'll taste like arse for sure....
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But most often a sugar wash is used to make a substance which we cannot discuss here. In that case, the taste of the sugar wash doesn't matter a bit.
I can tell you right now, that is not my plan.
Right now my plan is just to ferment the sugar water and taste it. I'm pretty much just experimenting with fermentation. I'll be trying different things, different sugars, different mixes etc. Then I'll probably try fruits etc.

My mom has some brewing experience from before my dad died and she said she had recipes and stuff and I basically said, Why would I do something I know will work? Where is the fun in that?

I realize I'm young, only 22. But I'm not doing this just to have alcohol, or to try and do anything illegal.
The only reason I'm doing this is out of a morbid sense of curiosity and the constant thought of, "I wonder what would happen if...."
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I can tell you right now, that is not my plan.
Yes, I fully understood that from your post. I didn't mean to convey the that that you were planning on doing anything illegal- just saying that sugar washes are uncommon for beer brewers but not for others. It's just that of course we don't discuss illegal activity here in the forum, and I wanted to make it clear that what you are doing is NOT illegal, unless you try to make this, um, drinkable.

Experimenting is fine, and part of the learning experience.

One thing to keep in mind is that some of us have been doing this since before you were born, and sometimes our experience can be helpful. I'm not telling you what to do- just making the suggestion that one of the great things about forums is that you can learn from others' experience, and not always do things the hard way.

You can make a drinkable beverage just as easy as you made the sugar wash. Just my $.02!
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Yes, I fully understood that from your post. I didn't mean to convey the that that you were planning on doing anything illegal- just saying that sugar washes are uncommon for beer brewers but not for others. It's just that of course we don't discuss illegal activity here in the forum, and I wanted to make it clear that what you are doing is NOT illegal, unless you try to make this, um, drinkable.

Experimenting is fine, and part of the learning experience.

One thing to keep in mind is that some of us have been doing this since before you were born, and sometimes our experience can be helpful. I'm not telling you what to do- just making the suggestion that one of the great things about forums is that you can learn from others' experience, and not always do things the hard way.

You can make a drinkable beverage just as easy as you made the sugar wash. Just my $.02!
Sure I could've made a more drinkable beverage just as easily, it just wouldn't have been as fun. ; )
I knew from the get-go that what I was doing was going to taste like crap, I had no expectation otherwise.
And its not really about doing it the hard way, its more about wanting to see and taste the different stages and steps of the process.



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