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Old 05-03-2007, 11:29 PM   #11
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There's a little something called "posterity"
Yeah, But Im a self centered ass hole.

 
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:41 PM   #12
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When it comes down to those who oppose it (warning: major generalization coming up)--big business, and those who believe it--scientists, I trust the latter.
I like it when business and the current administration cite the melting of glaciers will create more shipping lanes and have a positive effect on trade.
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:56 PM   #13
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I like it when business and the current administration cite the melting of glaciers will create more shipping lanes and have a positive effect on trade.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Talk about one thing on the mind--cha-ching! $$$

 
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:02 AM   #14
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I think it's funny that people think when icebergs melt (just frozen water) that the ocean will rise.... ok umm where was mass added, the icebergs are already in the water... It's like a cup of water, does the water level rise when the ice melts? no....


I did a paper on this subject, looking over a LOT of stuff it is natural... The claim of now being hotter than it's been in thousands of years is WRONG... Look up something called the Holocene Maximum (BEFORE man had industry)...

I also have an article somewhere from a Doctor Essenhigh who says it will end in 10 to 20 years...

 
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:08 AM   #15
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I think it's funny that people think when icebergs melt (just frozen water) that the ocean will rise.... ok umm where was mass added, the icebergs are already in the water... It's like a cup of water, does the water level rise when the ice melts? no....


I did a paper on this subject, looking over a LOT of stuff it is natural... The claim of now being hotter than it's been in thousands of years is WRONG... Look up something called the Holocene Maximum (BEFORE man had industry)...

I also have an article somewhere from a Doctor Essenhigh who says it will end in 10 to 20 years...
I looked it up.

Holocene Maximum occured between 6500 and 3500 B.C ergo the claim of "now being hotter than it's been in thousands of years" is correct since this occurred 8500 to 5500 years ago.
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I should also add that if we were all still using wood cooking fires that would also create alot of CO2.

Yes. It's an unsubstantiated claim. But so is assuming lack of industry is proof that it is an exclusively natural effect.
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:19 AM   #17
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I looked it up.

Holocene Maximum occured between 6500 and 3500 B.C ergo the claim of "now being hotter than it's been in thousands of years" is correct since this occurred 8500 to 5500 years ago.
Yes correct however most claims of "hotter than thousands of years" try to claim it as being hottest point in 10 thousand years...


Not only that but how are the 'scientist' that support the man made claim going to measure how much greenhouse gases are expelled by the earth into the atmosphere.... I give you Volcanos, while scientists can GUESS at how much CO2 is expelled they cannot measure. I've seen results stating volcanos put out more CO2 in one event than man does all year, i've seen others that state man puts out more than volcanos...

The Earth is an open system meaning that all of the possibilities and variables can not be accounted for making the scientific process null and void in trying to prove Global Warming to be Natural or Man-made.

I'm not saying pollution is wrong but i am saying there's no way of know what the cause is, so why waste millions of dollars and time debating it instead of figuring out a way to help plant and animal life that will be wiped out with temperature increases, because both sides say the temperature will increase.

 
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:40 AM   #18
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So, what is it? Give us the condensed version.
ok, I'll make a power point with graphs and data, hopefully it wont be too big.

 
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:42 AM   #19
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I should also add that if we were all still using wood cooking fires that would also create alot of CO2.

Yes. It's an unsubstantiated claim. But so is assuming lack of industry is proof that it is an exclusively natural effect.
I claim it as MOSTLY natural, i never said industry had nothing to do with it, just not as much as nature does.

 
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Old 05-04-2007, 02:35 AM   #20
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ok well I made a ppt that ended up to be 65 slides long and ~18mb.
Hmmm, I don't know how I can host this anywhere.

 
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