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Old 11-17-2011, 11:59 PM   #21
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My reasons for going electric were mostly because I wanted to do it indoors (it's too *@#$&@#& cold in Canada for most of the year).
Dude, You guys zamboni the Rideau Canal every night in the winter!!!!!!!!

I live in Pennsylvania which endures a deep freeze every year, but you put a zamboni on a river and it will surely break through the ice. The SWMBO and I go up to ottawa multiple times a year....winterfest, etc.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:39 AM   #22
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Dude, You guys zamboni the Rideau Canal every night in the winter!!!!!!!!
They lower the water level so that it freezes faster (there's only a foot or so of water IIRC).

That said, you won't catch me out there for more than a few hours... and who wants to brew in a parka and http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=touque&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=110l1030l0l1264l6l4l0l0l0l0l312l732l0.1.1.1l3l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1168&bih=813&wrapid=tlif132158389907910&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi! (Linked for the Americans who don't know what one is...

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Old 11-18-2011, 02:43 AM   #23
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They lower the water level so that it freezes faster (there's only a foot or so of water IIRC).

That said, you won't catch me out there for more than a few hours... and who wants to brew in a parka and touque! (Linked for the Americans who don't know what one is...

Kal
Hey, when I'm camping I sleep with a touque. But I don't want to brew in one! No link needed, but thanks! Everybody I know has a touque.

Today, it got cold in my brewery with the door open. I think it got down to about 65. I almost had to put on a long-sleeved shirt! Outside, it was snowing.

And for anybody who cares, I'd have to drive SOUTH to go visit Kal!
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:55 AM   #24
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I suggest put the sensor low down - at kid level - just in case your lighties are getting stoned without you knowing

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True, even with my doors open and the flames burning clean, I need to get fresh air to avoid a headache. I have a CO alarm in there with me but it must be just below the alarm threshold.

 
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:33 PM   #25
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I brew using electric for a very simple reason: winter

 
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:44 AM   #26
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I also use electric to brew indoors.
Mine is a very simple system that mimics my old propane system.

And I would have to go south to visit Yooper!
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I also use electric to brew indoors.
Mine is a very simple system that mimics my old propane system.

And I would have to go south to visit Yooper!
Yes you would! I bet it would be at least 30 miles south!

Electric isn't for everybody, but I don't know of anybody who went electric and then regretted it!
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:39 AM   #28
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2 reasons not to (and I'm pro electric)
  1. Can't be used where electricity is not available (ditto for those with pumps)
  2. In some areas of the country electricity prices are extremely high

 
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:14 AM   #29
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2 reasons not to (and I'm pro electric)
  1. Can't be used where electricity is not available (ditto for those with pumps)
  2. In some areas of the country electricity prices are extremely high
I use propane but my control panel is electric (asco valves, PID controllers, and pumps). The electric company shut power down after a storm. Believe it not an employee of the electric company was intrigued with my brewery sitting in the driveway. I expressed concern that the power was going to be shut off, where he kindly lent me a portable generator. I made it through my brewday because of him (gave him a 4 pack of homebrews). So if you run into a situation where the power is out, use a generator!!
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:27 PM   #30
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In some areas of the country electricity prices are extremely high
True, but is the electricity price higher than propane in the same place? That's really all that matters.

In most places in North America, the cost to brew with electricity is about 1/10th or 1/15th the cost of using propane.

Tht question is, is there any place where electricity actually costs *more* than propane?

See here:

Factors Affecting Electricity Prices - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy

This says that the average retail price of electricity in the United States in 2010 was 9.88 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh).

The three States with the highest average price of electricity in 2010 were:

Hawaii (25.12 per kWh)
Connecticut (17.39 per kWh)
New York (16.31 per kWh)

So in worst case electricity costs are about 2.5 times the average rate. So instead of propane being 10-15 times the cost, it may be 2.5- 4 times the cost. That's assuming a constant propane cost around the country which is most likely not true. I bet that propane in Hawaii is also more expensive.

So let's see, how does propane vary per state?

See: Propane Prices | National Propane Pricing Information

Cheapest I can find are places like Iowa and Missouri at around $1.9-2/gallon. They are also some of the cheapest in electricity.

The most expensive places for electricity (ex: New York and Connecticut) are also some of the most expensive for propane at about $3.1/gallon which is about 50% higher than average, the same increase that these places pay for electricity. (I can't find anything for Hawaii).

So while this isn't an exhaustive analysis, it seems that if electricity prices go up for a region, so does propane, so the 1/10th or 1/15th would still hold true.

Anyone have any examples of places where it's cheaper to brew with propane than electricity and have proof?

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