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Old 11-15-2011, 01:35 AM   #1
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I'm planning my first Hefe in a two weeks. A lot of research has led me to believe the best way to make a "good" hefe is to do a decoction mash (I'm sure "the Kaiser" will agree. I'm not sure if I'm ready for a decoction tho (I will do one, just not now). Are there any mash options to decocting that will improve my hefe? Step mash possibly? Thanks in advance for the advice!

 
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:03 AM   #2
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single infusion at 152 is fine. if you want more flavor adjust your recipe with something like melanoidin malt.

do a decoction if you are interested in the process. just don't expect a profound difference.

 
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:13 AM   #3
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No need to do a decoction for this brew. Do a single infusion. Depending upon how much wheat you have, I would strongly suggest a protein rest of about a 1/2 hour at ~122 to reduce the potential of a stuck mash.

BTW, I also live in Sheboygan. Whereabouts are you?

 
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:29 PM   #4
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I would increase that temp of the protein rest to around 131F. This will help break down some of the larger proteins, reducing chill haze (not that it matters in a hefe) and providing good head retention. A protein rest at 122 will break down medium sized proteins and produce amino acids, negatively impacting body and head retention.

Furthermore, might I suggest a two step mash process, first step from 131 to 148 then to 158. This dual mash step at both ends of the saccarchfication(sp) range will help keep the beer dry while also providing the body you desire from the traditional decoction.

 
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:31 PM   #5
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No need to do a decoction for this brew. Do a single infusion. Depending upon how much wheat you have, I would strongly suggest a protein rest of about a 1/2 hour at ~122 to reduce the potential of a stuck mash.

BTW, I also live in Sheboygan. Whereabouts are you?
And if you are worried about a stuck sparge/mash just throw in some rice hulls into your mash tun. That'll solve any problems you might have.

 
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:45 PM   #6
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I'd already planned on .25# or .5# of rice hulls (I honestly can't remember and don't have the receipe handy right now).

How is the best way to step mash in a cooler mash tun? I had two thoughts, add reduced amount of initial strike water at 135, 30 minute rest, then add balance of strike water at x-temp to get to 158, then another 60 min rest then fly sparge at 168.

 
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:27 AM   #7
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I do a single infusion for my hefes and throw a lb of rice hulls in to prevent a stuck mash. Never had any issues. The pilsner malts are well modified these days, eliminating the need for decoction mashes. I usually mash at 152F, but I think I'm going to up that to 156F for a tad more mouthfeel.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:59 AM   #8
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I am actually brewing a weizen tomorrow and am doing a three step infusion 131. 145. 158. With the initial water to grain ratio at .5 then for second step 1.0 then final step at 1.5 . Can't explain more at the moment cause I'm busy, but if need be I can add more later

 
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:29 PM   #9
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I've only made one hef but I just did a mash in the 150s (don't remember exact temp), then fly sparged. Turned out great for a wedding with good flavor and head retention.

I used a half pound of rice hulls for ten pounds of grain and had no stuck sparge.
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:24 PM   #10
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I am actually brewing a weizen tomorrow and am doing a three step infusion 131. 145. 158. With the initial water to grain ratio at .5 then for second step 1.0 then final step at 1.5 . Can't explain more at the moment cause I'm busy, but if need be I can add more later
I think I'm going to follow this approach, I've loaded your recommended temps and ratios into Beersmith...so far so good. I was thinking of rests of 30 minutes for each step. What do you think?

Thanks for the help. How did your brew day go?

 
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