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Old 11-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #1
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Big thanks to elproducto for transcribing this recipe! Even used my format and everything!

OG 1071
SRM not listed
IBU not listed
FG 1018

90 minute boil

5.58kg 2-row base malt 77.8%
850g Munich 11.9%
430g Caramunich 60lov. 6%
310g Carafa Special (Brewer said Carafa II) 4.3%

Mash at 154F

16.5g Warrior 17%AA 90 min.
22g Centennial 8%AA 20 min.
15g CTZ 13.9%AA 0 min.
29g Simcoe 12%AA Dry Hop
58.5g Centennial 10%AA Dry Hop

US-05 yeast or Wy1056/WLP001 [canned product uses US-05 and the brewpub uses US-05 or WLP001]

Ferment at 68 degrees

Notes: Kim Wood (homebrewer) said she adjusted her bittering addition to 80min. to compensate for the 15 min. whirlpool hops. Kim dry hopped 4 days into fermentation, she said the yeast was still fairly active. Kim noted that she added gypsum (1.5tsp, probably during the mash but she didn't specify). Jamil noted that adding the high color malts will alter the mash pH and a brewer should consider adding chalk, but that depends on your water.

BN Crew said it was definately cloned.
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:36 PM   #2
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Great, thanks for this.

 
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:40 PM   #3
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How is the commercial product?

My only 21st Amendment experience was a seriously infected can of Watermelon brew. Threw the other 5 cans out after can one.

 
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Old 11-05-2011, 01:52 AM   #4
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How is the commercial product?

My only 21st Amendment experience was a seriously infected can of Watermelon brew. Threw the other 5 cans out after can one.
I cant believe you threw out the rest! Its rare that a can gets infected let alone the whole sixer!

 
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:10 PM   #5
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When I put these numbers in BeerSmith, I am getting 21.8 SRM...not exactly a "black" IPA...more of a medium dark brown. Anyone else getting same?

 
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:44 PM   #6
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I havnt put the numbers in but I can tell you that the comercial beer is not tblack likea porter. Its actually sort of dark with a reddish hue.

 
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Old 11-08-2011, 01:37 AM   #7
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One of my favorite Black IPAs. I just brewed one of the only clone attempts that I could find. Its being dry hopped in secondary right now and will be bottled this weekend. Guess I'll be brewing this next so I can compare!!!! =)

 
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:37 AM   #8
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How is the commercial product?

My only 21st Amendment experience was a seriously infected can of Watermelon brew. Threw the other 5 cans out after can one.
I've been seriously disappointed with everything 21A has made. Everything I've had of theirs, whether it be in a can or on tap, has been off in one way or another, Back in Black is no exception. I really wanted to like them, but in my experience they just can't get it right, and with their prices I can't justify continually buying their product in the hopes that maybe the next can will be good.

One caveat to this is their collaboration with Ninkasi, "Allies win the War." I really like that one. It took working with Ninkasi for them to make a good beer.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:06 PM   #9
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I've been seriously disappointed with everything 21A has made. Everything I've had of theirs, whether it be in a can or on tap, has been off in one way or another, Back in Black is no exception. I really wanted to like them, but in my experience they just can't get it right, and with their prices I can't justify continually buying their product in the hopes that maybe the next can will be good.

One caveat to this is their collaboration with Ninkasi, "Allies win the War." I really like that one. It took working with Ninkasi for them to make a good beer.
On the East Coast here, and the 21A six packs of cans has been around $11. I liked their Back in Black, but overall, I'm not a huge fan of black IPA as a style. The Allies Win the War was really enjoyable, and their Brew Free or Die IPA I find ok, but it doesn't differentiate itself from most other IPAs. Their Bitter American I LOVE, but it's hard for me to drop $11 for a six of 4% pale ale. Great hop aroma in that beer, but one might think it would be less expensive than say, their IPA, due to lesser ingredients makign a 4% beer vs a 7% beer. That said, I do understand that some distributors (or maybe it's the retailers) basically group a brand into one lump. "All 21A six packs will be $11" for example. Not sure how that works

 
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:37 AM   #10
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On the East Coast here, and the 21A six packs of cans has been around $11. I liked their Back in Black, but overall, I'm not a huge fan of black IPA as a style. The Allies Win the War was really enjoyable, and their Brew Free or Die IPA I find ok, but it doesn't differentiate itself from most other IPAs. Their Bitter American I LOVE, but it's hard for me to drop $11 for a six of 4% pale ale. Great hop aroma in that beer, but one might think it would be less expensive than say, their IPA, due to lesser ingredients makign a 4% beer vs a 7% beer. That said, I do understand that some distributors (or maybe it's the retailers) basically group a brand into one lump. "All 21A six packs will be $11" for example. Not sure how that works
Nah, that's just 21st' price point. It 10 and some change out here in Oregon too.

Rule of thumb, distributers tack 30% onto the brewery price and retailers tack on another 30%.

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