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Old 04-19-2007, 05:42 AM   #1
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Default Developing another IPA recipe : Phase one

I want to try to make an IPA that is similar to Gordon from Oskar Blues, Lyons, Colorado. I know for the most part that Gordon is a double IPA(ish), but I would like to tone it down and try to stick with in "normal IPA values". For reference to the beer http://www.oskarblues.com/brew/

phase 1: grain bill

Im thinking.....

maris otter 8# 59.3%
2 row 3.5# 25.9%
Belgian biscuit 0.75# 5.6%
carapils 0.5# 3.7%
caravienne 0.75 # 5.6%
a dash of chocolate malt (2oz)

Phase 2: hops
havent figured out hops/hop schedules yet , but shooting for 85 IBUs and a ton of late hop editions, and dry hop with amarillo ( and maybe for a first wort hop too). I've read a little into the Galena varietal, maybe for bittering?

Qbrew predicts:
assuming a 77% mash efficiency
OG 1.070
FG1.018
color 11(srm? i dont know color units off the top of my head)
abv 7.1%


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Old 04-20-2007, 02:28 PM   #2
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I have a question.
Why use generic 2-row AND maris otter?
I mean maris otter is 2 row pale malt. I guess if you are working from stores it might make sense but was there a flavor reason?

Otherwise sounds tasty, I'll follow the thread to see how it turns out.
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I have a question.
Why use generic 2-row AND maris otter?
I mean maris otter is 2 row pale malt.
Oh, for color reasons. I dont want this to get too dark, and when i had the recipe with all maris otter, the color got to dark, according to the programes Ive run the recipe through.

Do you think there would be a "major" taste difference if i used all maris and said screw the color?

Any hop suggestions or your favorites?

OT, CBBaron.....how bout that "great" Indians game yesterday...haha

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Oh, for color reasons. I dont want this to get too dark, and when i had the recipe with all maris otter, the color got to dark, according to the programes Ive run the recipe through.
Do you think there would be a "major" taste difference if i used all maris and said screw the color?
Any hop suggestions or your favorites?
OT, CBBaron.....how bout that "great" Indians game yesterday...haha
I don't have enough experience to give you any suggestions on flavors but isn't your chocolate and biscuit providing more color than the maris otter? From the positive ravings I have seen on other threads about maris otter I would just use all maris otter. After all whats a point or 2 on the SRM scale. Ofcourse this is coming from the guy who made an "IPA" that looks more like a Nutbrown.
I think I like all hops. I open up a sealed bag of hops or a fermenter with a hoppy beer and take a big whiff. Smells great. Thats why I'm liking your plan of late hop additions and ~85 IBU.

I'm not a baseball fan so maybe you could explain your last comment. I guessing the Rockies beat the Indians yesterday?
[edit] Just checked the web. It appears the Indians blew an easy win against the Yanks. Oh well, the only reason I hope the Indians win is the boost to the downtown economy.
Good luck
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I would skip the regular 2-row and make it up with marris otter. If you are worried about the color, I would skip the chocolate malt as well.

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Yeah....just use all MO. I love that stuff.


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I would skip the regular 2-row and make it up with marris otter. If you are worried about the color, I would skip the chocolate malt as well.

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Agreed.

I'd stick with all Marris Otter.

This was my hop sked for my IIPA :
2 ounces Summit @ 60 mins
1.5 ounces Simcoe @ 45 mins
1.5 ounces Centennial @ 30 mins
1.5 ounces Cascade @ 2 mins
1 ounces cascade dry hop for 14 days
1 ounces centennial dry hop for 10 days

Might be a little much for you, so you could tone it down. I think my next one I'll stick witht he three Cs... Chinook, Cascade and Centennial
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the reason for the chocolate malt is that its in the beer im try to approximate, Gordon.

On that note....Gordon has what I preceive as a nutty flavor. Will this grain bill give me that flavor?
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Agreed.

I'd stick with all Marris Otter.

This was my hop sked for my IIPA :
2 ounces Summit @ 60 mins
1.5 ounces Simcoe @ 45 mins
1.5 ounces Centennial @ 30 mins
1.5 ounces Cascade @ 2 mins
1 ounces cascade dry hop for 14 days
1 ounces centennial dry hop for 10 days

Might be a little much for you, so you could tone it down. I think my next one I'll stick witht he three Cs... Chinook, Cascade and Centennial
Man I love summit! Good stuff. I'll tell you though that 2 ounces is a hell of a lot of it. I used 1/5 an ounce in my IPA and it's perfect bitterness.


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I think they use something like victory malt for that nutty flavor. The Oskar Blue's beers definitely have a "grainy" taste that is unique.


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