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Old 10-18-2011, 01:41 PM   #1
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I'm moving into partial mashing, and to assist in continuing to make the beers that I like, I'm curious if anyone has any idea, even roughly, what the "mash temp" would be for your average LME or DME.

Example: I made an extract cream ale a while back that turned out very, very well. I just tried to recreate it with a partial mash, and it appears to have a much thinner body than my previous, extract, version, despite the fact that I used, and held, a mash temp of 154*F.

Does extract just generally have an equivalent fermentability to a higher mash temp, say ~156*F or so?

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:19 PM   #2
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Each manufacturer will be a little different. I would bet more flavor differences would come from the reduction to concentrated extract then just the mash process.

Don't focus on making a recipie to mimic extract. You have far more opportunities with your mash process. Focus on learning those nuances

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:26 PM   #3
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I agree with davefleck. If you want to recreate the extract recipe, why not use the extract?

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:28 PM   #4
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Flavor has nothing to do with my question. I'm entirely concerned with body at the moment.

My extract recipes have consistently had a thicker, chewier, more satisfying body than my partial mash recipes; I'm attempting to determine if I need to be mashing higher, say at 156-158*F, in order to replicate the body that I get from extract.

I am aware that I could just throw some maltodextrin in there to bring the body back up, but I'd prefer to fix this problem via mash temp if possible.

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:29 PM   #5
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I agree with davefleck. If you want to recreate the extract recipe, why not use the extract?
Because partial mash recipes cost me $10-15 less, on average, than a comparable extract recipe, and I think I should at least pretend to be trying to save money on this hobby.

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:45 PM   #6
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Are you certain you are getting a consistent temperature of 154 in your mash? That should give you plenty of body. I doubt extract makers mash above that.

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:51 PM   #7
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Are you certain you are getting a consistent temperature of 154 in your mash? That should give you plenty of body. I doubt extract makers mash above that.
For the partial mash cream ale, I'm about 85% certain that I did get a consistent 154*F for the mash; I measured temp before and after to confirm. However, I've only done (4) PM batches so far, so could have missed something or mismeasured something.

The recipe, for reference, was as follows:

.5# light DME
7.25# 2-row
.25# carapils
1# cane sugar (added after primary fermentation was complete, as with a tripel)

.25oz warrior @ 60min
.4z cascade @ 15min

Starter of WLP510 Bastogne Belgian Ale

If [email protected] should have provided plenty of body, perhaps I could try another batch of this recipe at 156*F for comparison... After all, either way I end up with beer where there was no beer before.

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:56 PM   #8
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I could be way off here, but 7 lb's of 2 row doesn't even equal 3 lbs of DME. So the recipe really only has 3 maybe 3.5 lbs of "DME". There's your problem. 7.5-9 lbs of grain is a typical sized grain bill for when I do 3 gallon AG batches.
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Old 10-18-2011, 03:58 PM   #9
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I could be way off here, but 7 lb's of 2 row doesn't even equal 3 lbs of DME. So the recipe really only has 3 maybe 3.5 lbs of "DME". There's your problem. 7.5-9 lbs of grain is a typical sized grain bill for when I do 3 gallon AG batches.
Dang, guess I need a new, bigger mash tun...

 
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:11 PM   #10
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If all your PM's have been lacking body it's because you aren't using enough grain in place of the DME. You could keep roughly the grains you used in this batch, but only using 1/2 lb of DME isn't enough. You need more like 3+ lbs of DME for that recipe you posted.
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