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Old 01-05-2012, 01:57 AM   #21
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I utilize a grant for maintaining the mash temps during the mash. I have 240Volt, 3500 Watt induction heater. It gravity feeds from the mash tun to the grant and I pump it back to the mash tun.

3500 Watt is good enough for small steps in temp and mash out. I also use it decoctions and boil-sanitizing hardware.
That's an interesting concept; using a grant when recirculating the wort. That may actually address one issue I have had with my 1.5" ss RIMS tube with a 3000W heater. I run it at 750W for maintaining temperature, but at 3000W for step mashes. My last two 10-gallon batches scorched during the step so I had to dump them. It scorched for just a few seconds, but the beer is utterly undrinkable!

Here's what happened. At the end of the 20 minute protein rest (122F) the wort develops a foam layer in the mash tun (10g RM cooler w. false bottom). As I crank up the heat to step to 150, that foam works its way down the grain bed and gets sucked out by the pump. As the foam builds up in the RIMS tube and pump, the pump is losing its prime so the flow almost stops. Bingo, scorched foam.

I could not believe that this is what happened the first time. I thought that there must have been an air leak at the MLT drain, so I took it apart, repacked it and tried a second batch. Scorch!

Up till now I have been returning the wort to the MLT through a silicone hose that floats on the surface. That could be part of the problem. If and when I attempt this again, I will try something different, and also back off on the power to, say 1500W, using the PID.

Has anyone run into this? Any ideas? Sorry I am a bit off topic here.


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Old 01-05-2012, 04:12 AM   #22
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That's an interesting concept; using a grant when recirculating the wort. That may actually address one issue I have had with my 1.5" ss RIMS tube with a 3000W heater. I run it at 750W for maintaining temperature, but at 3000W for step mashes. My last two 10-gallon batches scorched during the step so I had to dump them. It scorched for just a few seconds, but the beer is utterly undrinkable!

Here's what happened. At the end of the 20 minute protein rest (122F) the wort develops a foam layer in the mash tun (10g RM cooler w. false bottom). As I crank up the heat to step to 150, that foam works its way down the grain bed and gets sucked out by the pump. As the foam builds up in the RIMS tube and pump, the pump is losing its prime so the flow almost stops. Bingo, scorched foam.

I could not believe that this is what happened the first time. I thought that there must have been an air leak at the MLT drain, so I took it apart, repacked it and tried a second batch. Scorch!

Up till now I have been returning the wort to the MLT through a silicone hose that floats on the surface. That could be part of the problem. If and when I attempt this again, I will try something different, and also back off on the power to, say 1500W, using the PID.

Has anyone run into this? Any ideas? Sorry I am a bit off topic here.
I don't have a direct answer to you question because I use an induction range. It does not scorch the wort or have any problems. If you are interested in it, it was under $200. It is kind of nice to use off the shelf hardware. it really works well without the fuss of building anything.

Avantco IC3500 3500 Watt Countertop Induction Range / Cooker 208/240V
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Old 05-08-2016, 05:43 PM   #23
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That's an interesting concept; using a grant when recirculating the wort. That may actually address one issue I have had with my 1.5" ss RIMS tube with a 3000W heater. I run it at 750W for maintaining temperature, but at 3000W for step mashes. My last two 10-gallon batches scorched during the step so I had to dump them. It scorched for just a few seconds, but the beer is utterly undrinkable!

Here's what happened. At the end of the 20 minute protein rest (122F) the wort develops a foam layer in the mash tun (10g RM cooler w. false bottom). As I crank up the heat to step to 150, that foam works its way down the grain bed and gets sucked out by the pump. As the foam builds up in the RIMS tube and pump, the pump is losing its prime so the flow almost stops. Bingo, scorched foam.

I could not believe that this is what happened the first time. I thought that there must have been an air leak at the MLT drain, so I took it apart, repacked it and tried a second batch. Scorch!

Up till now I have been returning the wort to the MLT through a silicone hose that floats on the surface. That could be part of the problem. If and when I attempt this again, I will try something different, and also back off on the power to, say 1500W, using the PID.

Has anyone run into this? Any ideas? Sorry I am a bit off topic here.
I had a similar problem this weekend - it was a wheat beer though, and I despise wheat. Especially after this weekend. I have a 5500w RIMs, did protein rest, started ramping. PID had element at 100% and suddenly, scorching (flow rate was at least 2 gpm). Scrapped the batch and did some testing instead.

We found that restricting the flow BEFORE the rims and setting RIMs to 100% power caused scorching. We moved the valve AFTER RIMs and before the return into the MLT and no scorching at 100%.

Then we tried stirring the mash with pump and RIMs at 100%. Started sputtering, scorched again.

Lessons learned: at least with wheat, 1. put the restricting valve after rims and before MLT re-circ port. 2. don't stir the mash with the heating element on.

Thinking about a grant or reverse recirculation now.

 
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