Beer is hard to messup - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > Beer is hard to messup

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-08-2011, 01:34 AM   #1
fernando
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
strasburg, va
Posts: 4


Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had. Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.

Drink because your happy, work because you like it, and sleep because you can't wait for the next day.

-Fernando


 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:50 AM   #2
Chia
Recipes 
 
Jun 2011
Cape Girardeau, MO
Posts: 315
Liked 77 Times on 16 Posts


damn i hope your right!
__________________
Whitener Street Brewing Co.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:51 AM   #3
Qhrumphf
Stay Rude, Stay Rebel, Stay SHARP
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Qhrumphf's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Apr 2011
Arlington (DC), VA
Posts: 13,444
Liked 3446 Times on 2463 Posts


I like the enthusiasm, but I wouldn't try and downplay the importance of sanitation. That's like saying that because sterilization techniques are also fairly recent, surgeons should feel free to operate with dirty scalpels.

Yes, beer's been made forever, and much of that without any knowledge of sanitation, or even of yeast. But I suspect that if we tried the beers they brewed, we'd despise most of them.

Infections may be rarer than they seem, however I'm still not going to advocate opening the door for them.
__________________
Souring: '14 Brett C Old Ale, '15 Lambic, '14 Lambic, '14 Flemish Red, '15 Flemish Pale, '15 Oud Bruin, '15 Session Kriek
Cellar: '10 Brett B Tripel, '11 Lambic, '13 Brett C English Barleywine, '13 Quadrupel, '13 Sour Stout, '14 Brett C Bitter, '14 Spontaneously Fermented Cider, '15 Wee Heavy, '15 100% Brett B Red, '15 100% Brett L Kriek, '15 Bière de Garde

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:56 AM   #4
motobrewer
I'm no atheist scientist, but...
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Recipes 
 
Oct 2009
Thiensville, Wisconsin
Posts: 8,245
Liked 492 Times on 381 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando View Post
Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had.
smelling bad out of the primary isn't because of poor sanitation....


Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando View Post
Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.
this is just awful advice.

this gets my vote for worst thread of 2011
__________________
Quote:
The man who intoxicates himself on bad whisky is sometimes moved to kill his wife and set his house on fire, but the victim of applejack is capable of blowing up a whole town with dynamite and of reciting original poetry to every surviving inhabitant.

– "A Wicked Beverage," New York Times, April 10, 1894

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:56 AM   #5
h22lude
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
h22lude's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2010
lincoln, ri
Posts: 2,689
Liked 177 Times on 149 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Qhrumphf View Post
I like the enthusiasm, but I wouldn't try and downplay the importance of sanitation. That's like saying that because sterilization techniques are also fairly recent, surgeons should feel free to operate with dirty scalpels.

Yes, beer's been made forever, and much of that without any knowledge of sanitation, or even of yeast. But I suspect that if we tried the beers they brewed, we'd despise most of them.

Infections may be rarer than they seem, however I'm still not going to advocate opening the door for them.
I agree. Beer was made without even knowing beer was being made. Sanitation was not part of beer making when beer was first found. Yeast was also not cultured for certain types of beer. Sanitation and different yeast strains are what give us a lot of the different style beers we have today.

Yeast are tougher than people think but I wouldn't chance anything. $35 for a basic extract kit, 2 to 3 hours to brew and 3 to 4 weeks in primary...I want that beer coming out as good as it can.
__________________
Up Next: Blonde Ale, German Pils
Primary: Pumpkin Spice Latte Stout
Kegged: Galaxy Dry Hopped Fort Point clone, Blonde Ale
Bottled: S'mores Stout, Blonde Ale

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:59 AM   #6
jaycount
 
jaycount's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2010
Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 996
Liked 22 Times on 22 Posts


I think mild infections are alot more common in homebrew than we know...

Don't downplay cleanliness and sanitation!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 01:59 AM   #7
Germelli1
Recipes 
 
Jul 2010
Blacksburg/Herndon, VA
Posts: 2,156
Liked 36 Times on 36 Posts


I agree people can be a little overboard on the sanitation fears, but not for the same reasons. If everything is kept clean, that is more important than sanitation to me. Don't give organisms a place to live and they won't be there in numbers to take over.

Plus many people don't realize chemicals like oxyclean, PBW, B-Brite, etc actually ARE effective sanatizers...just aren't marketed them as such. (Off topic chemistry discussion we can discuss if anyone is interested)

But to be fair I have to point out that even brewers centuries ago weren't negligent on sanitation. Many would begin their brew day by scalding all equipment with steam...which is actually more thorough STERILIZATION than our present chemical sanitation. It is even more sterile than boiling something in water.
__________________
If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I would spend 6 sharpening my axe. ~Abe Lincoln

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 02:00 AM   #8
LandoLincoln
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
LandoLincoln's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Feb 2011
Joliet, IL
Posts: 2,989
Liked 1115 Times on 588 Posts


Beginners should be primarily concerned with sanitation practices, if nothing else. There's a lot of things that you can screw up in beer making, and your beer will turn out okay. Screw up the sanitation and you're just asking for trouble.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 02:01 AM   #9
lumpher
Recipes 
 
Jul 2009
texas
Posts: 5,065
Liked 265 Times on 226 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando View Post
Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had. Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.
-Fernando
i disagree completely. the major thing to practice and get used to as a beginner is sanitation. you have that down, you're halfway to being an actual brewer
__________________
There is no "i" in denial.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2011, 02:17 AM   #10
DoubleAught
 
DoubleAught's Avatar
Recipes 
 
May 2011
Seymour, Indiana
Posts: 1,247
Liked 106 Times on 81 Posts


I had a Coopers can that I had gotten for free. I really didn't want to brew it so as an experiment I did everything wrong to see what would happen. I didn't sanitize, fermented it in a plastic water cooler bottle, I did put some saran wrap over the opening and held it on with a rubber band and used my well water which I question sometimes. It brewed beer, although not a very good beer. I've had a few bottles of it and in a pinch it's better than nothing. I'm about to dump it now to make room for good beer in my bottles.

Good sanitation practice is pretty important in my opinion.
__________________
In their efforts to regulate beer quality, the ancient Babylonians, who were among history's earliest brewers, decreed that any commercial beermaker who sold unfit beer would be drowned in their own libation.

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How hard could making beer from a kit be? porterguy Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 16 02-15-2011 02:17 AM
Hard crust on top of my beer, don't think it's krausen brad26 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 10 10-14-2010 08:32 PM
It really is hard to screw up beer--testimonial kansasbrew Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 7 04-25-2010 06:31 AM
Question About Hard Cider or Hard Lemonade dlbarncord Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 4 12-29-2009 09:52 PM
What makes a beer hard to make immcpat Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 14 12-29-2009 01:43 PM


Forum Jump