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Old 04-04-2007, 04:23 PM   #11
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I had the same problem with my first few (5) all grain batches. My bitterness was from the 60 minute hops. I was agitating the heck out of them during the boil, because I thought I was getting more goodness from the hops. It turned out that I was getting waaay too much bitter from the hops!
Is this your problem? The easiest way to tell is to taste the hops that float at the top of your boiling wort and see if the flavors match on your next batch.

If so, then don't worry it will age out in a month or three.

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Old 04-04-2007, 05:28 PM   #12
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Water ph, water hardness, mash ph and sparge water ph can all contribute to atringency and or harsh bitterness from hops. As I said before you cannot judge bitterness by tasting unfermented wort, it will almost always be extremely bitter.


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Old 04-04-2007, 07:14 PM   #13
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Greg, let us know what works for you!
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Water ph, water hardness, mash ph and sparge water ph can all contribute to atringency and or harsh bitterness from hops. As I said before you cannot judge bitterness by tasting unfermented wort, it will almost always be extremely bitter.
True. Adding gypsum to already hard water accentuates the hop bitterness.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:19 PM   #15
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Thanks again everyone. I will taste it again in a week or so at bottling and then after it has time to condition for 2-3 weeks. Let's hope for the best!

I'll post a follow-up report.

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Old 04-04-2007, 08:25 PM   #16
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Good idea. Next time I brew a batch I will check.

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I had the same problem with my first few (5) all grain batches. My bitterness was from the 60 minute hops. I was agitating the heck out of them during the boil, because I thought I was getting more goodness from the hops. It turned out that I was getting waaay too much bitter from the hops!
Is this your problem? The easiest way to tell is to taste the hops that float at the top of your boiling wort and see if the flavors match on your next batch.

If so, then don't worry it will age out in a month or three.

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Old 04-04-2007, 09:21 PM   #17
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I had the same problem with my first few (5) all grain batches. My bitterness was from the 60 minute hops. I was agitating the heck out of them during the boil, because I thought I was getting more goodness from the hops. It turned out that I was getting waaay too much bitter from the hops!
Is this your problem? The easiest way to tell is to taste the hops that float at the top of your boiling wort and see if the flavors match on your next batch.

If so, then don't worry it will age out in a month or three.

Cheers
Agitating the hops by stirring won't affect the hops, it may cause some HSA but I don't see it affecting the bitterness. As far as tasting the hops durning boil, I doubt you can really tell the difference. I know that when I add say magnums @ 60 minutes and taste the wort then add cascades @ 10 minutes it all taste the same to me over the top bitter.
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:36 PM   #18
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Orion, If you are interested have a look at this thread, this was me working my way through my bitter/astringient flavor issue...
http://www.tastybrew.com/forum/thread/93476
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Thanks for the thread, that makes me feel better.

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http://www.tastybrew.com/forum/thread/93476
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Ok, so I got a little impatient and took a sample with the thief last night. First off, it was still pretty bitter. I decided it kind of reminded me of plain carbonated water, which I think tastes bitter. After sampling this I waited a bit and tried one of my extract brown ales. I did detect some of the same flavor although barely. So, I think everyone was right and it is just hops bitterness. Strange how it tastes different from the really hoppy beers I've had.

Next time I think I'll use less hops with a full boil!


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