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Old 08-15-2011, 03:01 PM   #11
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I used bleach solution and c-brite my first couple batches (but I rinsed thoroughly after use). it worked fine, and I'm sure it would have kept working fine, but it was also a pain. I bought Star San, and use it in a spray bottle. It's much quicker and easier.

I'm really cheap, and I try to save money whenever I can, but Star San was a no brainer after a couple brew sessions without it.

As for not rinsing bleach, everything I've read suggests that's not a good idea. The *only* thing I read that suggests otherwise is that podcast people keep referring to, which explains how to make a no-rinse sanitizer from bleach, vinegar, and water (in a very specific order and concentration, otherwise it can be dangerous).

Chlorine in your brew has the potential of creating off-flavors, which is why most people won't use it at all, and if they do, rinse it off. But again, if what you're doing is working for you, then keep on keeping on.

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 03:01 PM   #12
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Bleach is safe and effective, but must be rinsed, unless, of course, you enjoy beer that tastes like bandaids. Chlorine and chloramines will make a distinct taste in the final product.

What works for you is fine - carry on....

(star san user, but not on the payroll)

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:13 PM   #13
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I sanaitize with bleach then "rinse" in water with one or two campden tablets to
neutralize the bleach and campden also weighs in on bacteria for kind of a "one
two punch". If you would like to "one step" sanutize, I think campden would be
a better way to go unles you are allergic. Chlorine has been reported to give some
finished beers a BandAid flavor or smell.

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:17 PM   #14
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I used bleach for a while until I found Star-San. I would never go back to bleach.

Star-San is cheap, easy to use, fool proof (pretty much), no-rinse, no fuss.
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:23 PM   #15
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I periodically bleach bomb my plastics with acidified bleach, but I always rinse the hell out of it. There are too many accounts of off flavors from just the small amounts of clorides in tap water. I'd rather not risk it when starsan is very cheap when you use it in a spray bottle.

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:36 PM   #16
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I use a mixture of 5 gallons of water with 2 ounces of bleach and 2 ounces of vinegar. I soak everything to be sanitized for 20 minutes minimum. I rinse everything with boiled and or boiling water (bottles I sanitize then boil... ok ok so I am a little anal). I have a well and I am sure the water is safe and clean and perfect (yes it has been tested multiple times) but still it's my beer so I want no issues with chlorine & vinegar off flavors or with unwanted bugs from tap water. So far no problems or issues and no off flavors. I wash all equipment with oxyclean after I use it and before I use it (like I said I am very anal about my cleaning --- yes I have a clean desk and neat and tidy work shop --- so ok I have a sick mind...) it is all about making great beer so it is worth it.
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:49 PM   #17
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There's only one place in town where I live that carries Star-San, and they are 30 minutes each way, and not opened on Sundays when I brew... So... Bleach it is.

I had to brew in my messy garage yesterday, with oil stains, cob webs, etc etc etc. We'll see how the 2 batches turn out, while using bleach as my sanitizer (as usual).



Yes, that's oil, dirt and grease on the stand where the mash tun is.

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Old 08-15-2011, 05:10 PM   #18
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There's only one place in town where I live that carries Star-San, and they are 30 minutes each way, and not opened on Sundays when I brew... So... Bleach it is.

I had to brew in my messy garage yesterday, with oil stains, cob webs, etc etc etc. We'll see how the 2 batches turn out, while using bleach as my sanitizer (as usual).



Yes, that's oil, dirt and grease on the stand where the mash tun is.

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My LHBS is an hour and a half away. I mix a couple of quarts of Starsan in distilled water and it lasts months if not years, and I haven't been very careful about how I use it until recently. It's so much quicker than bleach and rinsing that I just don't understand why people prefer bleach over it.

Just spritz with a spray bottle and let sit 30 seconds. Drip excess and use whatever it is you sanitized.

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 05:16 PM   #19
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well i guess this week's brew will be star san clean. , you guys got me all nervous about drinking bandaids in the fututre if i ever eff up the ratio. thanks to all for the input!

 
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Old 08-15-2011, 05:19 PM   #20
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I'd recommend to not use bleach (because there are easier ways, but I've used it and it works.
Some of the ways I've used it (I don't know if I'd recommend them, but they worked for me):
I keep a spray bottle of 1:10 beach/water (for many house hold uses). A mist of this will quickly sanitize anything (if you get it in your eye you will go blind). A soak in this will sterilize things.
When I use the strong concentration bleach I do a light rinse with hot tap water. The idea is to dilute the bleach water that is on it to a lower level, but still high enough to keep the water sanitized.

You can do further rinsing with boiled water, but that's a PITA.

Then air or oven dry. Sniff test before using anything, if it still smells like a swimming pool don't use it.

When using lower concentrations I did not rinse, and usually oven dried. Once bottles get warm in the oven shake them out. You'll be able to get more of the liquid out of them at higher temps (water viscosity; blah blah blah...)

 
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