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Old 07-31-2011, 09:25 PM   #1
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I just bought a pound each of centennial and cascade. It will be here Tuesday, so I will brew on Wednesday. I love Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale, but I want a lower ABV. I don't usually use much crystal in my IPAs, but I thought I would use 12% this time, and mash low so that I have the taste of the crystal without it being too sweet.

Here's what I"m thinking so far (10.5 gallon batch):

16 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 65.31 %
6 lbs Vienna Malt (US) (3.5 SRM) Grain 24.49 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.12 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 4.08 %

1.50 oz Chinook [11.50 %] (60 min) Hops 28.1 IBU
1.50 oz Centennial [9.60 %] (15 min) Hops 11.6 IBU
2.00 oz Cascade [5.40 %] (15 min) Hops 8.7 IBU
1.50 oz Centennial [9.60 %] (0 min) Hops -
2.50 oz Cascade (homegrown) [5.00 %] (0 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops

1.00 oz Centennial [9.60 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops
2.00 oz Cascade [5.40 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -

S05 ale yeast.

OG of 1.060
IBUs 49

Anybody have any thoughts? The fairly large amount of crystal is unusual for me, but I really want a hoppy beer balanced by strong malt undertones and sweetness but still under 6% or so. I think that's a tall order, actually, but I want to try it.
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:42 PM   #2
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Looks great to me, but you are the expert, not me. How low are you mashing? 150 or so?

 
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:43 PM   #3
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Looks great to me, but you are the expert, not me. How low are you mashing? 150 or so?
Probably 150-151. I have a tendency to attenuate really well, so any lower and I'd end up at 1.006 or 1.007!
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:02 PM   #4
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I brewed something extremely similar to this, could not get any chinook, but subbed with Columbus for bittering...

Like I said, it was very close, but what will the 20L do to the beer? I only put 60L in mine along with the others... My LHBS told me a grain website so I could look them up, but forgot to write it down... But back to you... looks tasty... send samples. :-)
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:17 PM   #5
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I agree about going with one crystal malt. I'd just go with C40 or 60 for 10% and not mix the two. I like mixing crystal malts in bitters and porters, though in an IPA your not going to get the same complexities with all the hops and high bitterness.

 
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:21 PM   #6
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Well if you are going with 1.060 OG, and aiming for at or below 6% abv, you are looking at a fairly high terminal gravity, making for a sweet finish. I would personally aim for a slightly lower OG, maybe mid to upper 50's and have aim for a terminal around 1.011-1.013.

What about throwing a little bit of chinook in the dry hop?

 
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:08 AM   #7
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I just did a Chinook IPA and used two crystals, 10# 2row and then .75# crystal 60 and .25# crystal 120.. not too sweet and a good counter to the hops.
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Old 08-01-2011, 04:09 AM   #8
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Probably 150-151. I have a tendency to attenuate really well, so any lower and I'd end up at 1.006 or 1.007!
Damn! I thought my saison drying to .007 was good.

As for the C20 and C60, I would roll with what you have posted. You are definitely one of/the most knowledgale APA/IPA posters on here. You know what you are doing. I like to use about a lb. In a 5g batch and also use a light/dark mix sometimes. No bad experiences yet.

Hops look great, but what if you split the 60 chinook and 0 centennial up, .75 of each at 60 and 0 to get some more of that Chinook aroma/flavor in there?

 
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:03 AM   #9
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Yooper, why not try all late hop additions? You can really emphasize the malt profile with a smooth bitterness and hop flavor using this method, to my understanding. My next brew is a Wheat IPA where I plan to do all late additions and really looking forward to it.
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Really great tips everybody!

I'm not sure about hopbursting this one, but I will consider it for sure. I really want a nice firm bitterness, to counteract the crystal malt sweetness somewhat while having both.

I always like to mix crystal malts, as I think all 20L would be too carmelly sweet, and all 60L would be too "deep" or dark. But I think that with all the hops there, the complexity probably will be lost.

I have to see how much chinook I have. But using more is a great idea!
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