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Old 07-21-2011, 06:57 PM   #1
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Default Cold crashing w/ fruit

Iíve had pretty good luck cold crashing with US-04 on my apple ciders. Iíve been checking the gravity until it gets down to where I want, then rack into a secondary and cold crash. Then I normally just keg it and I can get the fermentation to not start up again. Now, Iíd like to get some fruit flavor into one of my ciders by adding some fresh fruit to the secondary. Iím wondering if adding the fruit will jumpstart the fermentation, even though Iíll have cold crashed it and keep in the fridge. The reason I go to the trouble is because I donít want to add anything to kill the yeast (Camden, sorbate). Iíve added fruit to the primary but all the flavor just gets scrubbed off. Anyone had any experience with this sort of thing?


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Old 07-21-2011, 10:30 PM   #2
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Easiest way imo would be to brew your cider a bit stronger than you want it with some extra sugar, and then add the fruit in juice form when you rack to secondary, so it'll be sweet and fruity, still at the ABV you want (as adding the juice will dilute it,) and you won't have to worry about any pulp etc. If you cold crash when it's clear, it shouldn't ferment again.

Are you bottling or kegging? Have you racked your ciders dry and added priming sugar previously, or bottling/kegging sweet ciders?


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Old 07-21-2011, 10:34 PM   #3
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If you cold crash when it's clear, it shouldn't ferment again.
it will almost definitely ferment again
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:43 PM   #4
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admittedly, i've never cold crashed - pasteurizing all the way if you're after sweet, sparkling ciders
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:23 AM   #5
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ummm...... why give dodgy advice on it then?
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:21 PM   #6
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Yes, my guess was that it would probably kick off again. Still, I'm wondering if there is a way to impart the fruit taste (using fresh fruit) without having to kill the yeast. I can force carb the cider so I'm not concerned about that. It's just that everything I read about killing off the yeast seems to impart flavors that I want nothing to do with. I simply want the fruit essence imparted into the cider. And I won't use extracts.
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I've had good luck cold crashing raspberry ciders. I add about a pound of raspberries, pureed in the blender. I do it a few days before the crash. That way the raspberry pulp drops to the bottom with everything else the crash. If you do it in the secondary, it can be a real PIA to get the pulp out. I've done about a dozen kegs this way over the past several years, never had a problem with fermentation starting back up.
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:10 PM   #8
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Sorry but Iím not sure I follow you. You say you add puree a couple of days before you cold crash but that itís not in the secondary? Are you adding at the end of fermentation, in the primary? I should say, a couple days before the gravity is going to be to the point at which you want to cold crash it? If you are doing it this way, does the raspberry flavor not get scrubbed off or is it late enough into the fermentation that you still get good flavor? Iíve really never added fruit to anything so this is all foreign to me. Still, Iím wondering if it is possible to cold crash at the point I want, then rack it into a secondary on top of a fruit puree, and re-coldcrash it so that it doesnít take off again. Literally, not have it out of the fridge more than 20 minutes.
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Right - I crash between the primary and the secondary. The secondary is just to let it clear some more and to make sure it doesnt start back up. A lot of times I just skip the secondary and go straight to keg after the crash.

Yep, I add the raspberries when its just a tad sweeter than what I want. Not too much sweeter because the raspberries will add some sugar on their own. 3 or 4 days is plenty of time to get the flavor.

I've tried adding raspberry puree after the crash, and that works well taste-wise, but for some reason its harder to get the pulp out that way. I dont know why, maybe its just the juice that I use, or maybe having the yeast present does something to make the pulp settle out better. YMMV. Good luck!
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I see. So you only use 1lbs of berries for 5 gallons? Also, when you say it’s harder to get the pulp out if you add the puree straight to the secondary, do you mean that you have trouble picking up too much of the puree when you’re racking into the keg? I’m going to give this a try here soon. Pitched some US-04 onto 5 gallons of juice about a week ago.


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