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Old 07-03-2011, 12:40 PM   #1
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So i built by boil kettle and I'm about do build a mashtun out of a keg. For those that use a keggle as a boil pot, how do you keep the hops out of the fermentor? I'm going to use a plate chiller and due to the shape of the bottom of the keg, wouldn't all the trub be funneled through the chiller into the fermentor? I'm using a false bottom and a pick up tube that pulls from the middle of the keg to avoid much liquid loss.


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Old 07-03-2011, 12:52 PM   #2
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If you are using a false bottom, you should be good, however it helps tremendously if you use some whole hops sometime during the boil. This will set on top of your FB and act as a filter bed. Now what your big concern should be is cold break. Do not go from your chiller directly to your fermentor, or you will have all that cold break in there.

Instead, pump through your chiller back inti your kettle, and bring the whole kettle down to pitching temp. Then transfer to your fermentor, pitch, and have s HB.

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Don't forget to aerate!
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I chill then pump back to my boil kettle and whirlpool, my pickup tube is a 90 degree copper stub out the goes to the side of the kettle, it leaves behind a little wort, bu mostly just hop trub and cold break. I know there are some that would argue the merits of whirlpooling, but I have had great luck doing it, and think it has done more to improve the quality of my beer than just about anything else...my $.02...wnc
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If you are using a false bottom, you should be good, however it helps tremendously if you use some whole hops sometime during the boil. This will set on top of your FB and act as a filter bed. Now what your big concern should be is cold break. Do not go from your chiller directly to your fermentor, or you will have all that cold break in there.

Instead, pump through your chiller back inti your kettle, and bring the whole kettle down to pitching temp. Then transfer to your fermentor, pitch, and have s HB.

Hope this helps.
The cold break in the fermenter is fine. It won't harm anything, and it compacts down with the rest of the trub. Many people have plate chillers or CFCs and the cold break goes into the fermenter. You can filter it out if you want, but it's certainly not required.
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I use a CFC and I just let everything go into the primary. I don't touch my fermenters until 3 weeks anyway before checking SG, so usually everything is well settled out by then.

Since you're using a plate chiller, you might want to do the whirlpool and side dip tube thing. Or construct/buy something like the Hop Stopper.
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The cold break in the fermenter is fine. It won't harm anything, and it compacts down with the rest of the trub. Many people have plate chillers or CFCs and the cold break goes into the fermenter. You can filter it out if you want, but it's certainly not required.
I agree it will settle to the bottom and that it is ok. However I have noticed a pretty significant difference in my final beer once I started removing as much of the cold break before transfering to my fermentor. To each thier own. There is no one way of doing it and everyone pervieves flavors differently. I have also noticed that if the cold break goes in, there is more of a chance of chill haze. If you want to leave it for a month or so, then this prob wouldn't be an issue. But for average ales like APA's, I get rid of the cold break amap, and throughput is about 2.5 weeks.
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IMO, it could possibly be the difference between a great beer and an excellent beer.
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I use a CFC and whirlpool in my boil keggle as well. but I found trying to whirlpool and chill at the same time is counter productive. putting the chilled wort back into the keggle of hot wort takes longer to cool down, at the same time the CFC is a bottle neck when it comes to whirlpooling. SO I think my next brew I'll just chill first in my CFC into another vessel possible my HLT. then pump it back via my whirlpool inlet creating a solid whirl pool leaving cold break out of my Primary.

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I use a CFC and whirlpool in my boil keggle as well. but I found trying to whirlpool and chill at the same time is counter productive. putting the chilled wort back into the keggle of hot wort takes longer to cool down, at the same time the CFC is a bottle neck when it comes to whirlpooling. SO I think my next brew I'll just chill first in my CFC into another vessel possible my HLT. then pump it back via my whirlpool inlet creating a solid whirl pool leaving cold break out of my Primary.

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That's probably a great idea. It does take quite a long time to cool down the kettle flowing back. Do you have a FB? If you do no real need to whirlpool. One thing about it taking longer is everything has time to settle leaving it pretty clear. I suppose it leaves room for an infection to get in. What I am planning on next is to prechill my CFC water first. I think this will bring it down pretty quickly.


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