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Old 10-04-2012, 02:19 AM   #621
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This happens to almost every artist, one must turn the other cheek!
I try GSB, Lord knows.. but the half bald mullet of Halford coupled with Downing eating his guitar's junk every other riff really scars me deep (thanks a lot Mtv), but it really doesn't matter as the music on that record was 1000 times as offensive as the visual torment. This is but one of many reasons why I hate music videos or any other propaganda. I mean the music was bad enough but those videos were like rubbing salt in the gaping knife wound in my back. It was hard enough being a metal fan in those days without being undermined by one of your favorite bands at the time, embarrassing to say the least.

If not for Painkiller I would have been done with Priest the first time I ever heard that Turbo garbage. In fact, other than some very sparse, somewhat inspired, solo stuff from Halford I'd argue pretty confidently that Priest and Halford both died to metal with Painkiller being their crowning achievement...

Don't get me wrong, Painkiller is without a doubt the best Priest album and quite possibly one of the best metal albums ever made from beginning to end. My point here is that it is, most definitely, diminished greatly (at least for me) by Turbo and a few other crappy albums, which is sad.

If only it (Painkiller) had been released prior to Turbo, what a shame.. It's easy to explain a sell-out at any certain point but how in carnation any band could release an album like Painkiller after putting out something like Turbo absolutely boggles my mind. It would be like Metallica releasing Ride The Lightning next week, it just wouldn't make sense at this point in their washed up existence and it's intended for a completely different audience, namely people who listen to metal instead of garbage.

And then to have the nerve to refer to yourself as "metal god"????

Seriously Halford??? Really????? You're a metal god?

OK.. I feel better now.



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Old 10-05-2012, 02:44 PM   #622
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hahaha! I really do not like much 80's metal. I see it as the Britney Spears of its day and for the majority is was. I think if you find yourself in the majority of things then you are doing something wrong. I think if I was in the 80's and I was listening to twisted sister, cinderella, montley crue and crap like this I would have been a douche. I honestly think I would not like that music back then, and you see this even with good metal bands that where underground at the time. Even Venom and Bathroy have expressed views of the childishness that where band like Judas Priest.


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Old 10-06-2012, 01:04 AM   #623
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hahaha! I really do not like much 80's metal. I see it as the Britney Spears of its day and for the majority is was. I think if you find yourself in the majority of things then you are doing something wrong. I think if I was in the 80's and I was listening to twisted sister, cinderella, montley crue and crap like this I would have been a douche. I honestly think I would not like that music back then, and you see this even with good metal bands that where underground at the time. Even Venom and Bathroy have expressed views of the childishness that where band like Judas Priest.
I agree but if you were in the scene at the time (yes I'm an old bastage), you would have been floored just like me when JP jumped on the hair wagon, or tried to rather. You've got to understand that bands like Bathory, CF and Venom were not quite held in the same regard, even with the true, at that time.

You're misunderstanding this because you have no choice.. The hair bands you speak of were never so much as acknowledged by the true at the time, you only think so because Mtv made you. It's really no different than the garbage on Mtv nowadays right, you made the brittany analogy, same difference if you think about it right? Glammed up commercialized corporate sponsored horse poo, thru and thru.

Dude I poop you not, when Turbo came out it changed all the rules. If a band like JP could just flat sell out and send all their followers scurrying for a rock to hide under in embarrassment then ANYBODY could.

Keep in mind that there were not torrents or youtube either so you actually had to pay for the music you heard oftentimes before even hearing it. And on top of that, try to imagine tracking down a copy of a Bathory record in BFE in those days.. If kmart or sears didn't have it you were pretty much SOL where I lived.

I firmly believe that this, what we've been speaking of, contributes directly to bands going nu or core, or whatever's not metal and sells records nowadays. I guess it's one thing to never be metal and quite another, most shameful, thing to have been metal once. These people have neither any soul nor respect for the music they make as far as I can see, so, tell me friend...

WTF should I turn my cheek when they spit in my face?
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Check out this crazy interview with the guy from W.A.S.P. Damn!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qKlZ...ayer_embedded#!
This is from the documentary "Decline of the Western Civilization, Part 2, The Metal Years" released in 1988, and is absolutely brilliant. Its Penelope Spheeris' finest work. Part 1 was the punk years. I know that most of you dont like the 80's hairbands but it is what it was and is was massive. For those of us that were in our teens when this stuff came out, it was like nothing anyone had ever heard. It was mind blowing. The music was fun. It was sex, drugs and rock n roll and it was all about excess. If you played in a band, it was twice as massive. Guitar players ruled the world and it was awesome! But i digress, this movie is a very cool inside look into the LA scene of bands trying to make it. There are some well known bands in the movie but most of them are no names if you werent a part of the scene. The Chris Holmes interview is legendary. And very sad. It really makes you take a look at what we were doing to ourselves and the way were living. It didnt change anything, but it did make us think about it! Hah
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This is from the documentary "Decline of the Western Civilization, Part 2, The Metal Years" released in 1988, and is absolutely brilliant. Its Penelope Spheeris' finest work. Part 1 was the punk years. I know that most of you dont like the 80's hairbands but it is what it was and is was massive. For those of us that were in our teens when this stuff came out, it was like nothing anyone had ever heard. It was mind blowing. The music was fun. It was sex, drugs and rock n roll and it was all about excess. If you played in a band, it was twice as massive. Guitar players ruled the world and it was awesome! But i digress, this movie is a very cool inside look into the LA scene of bands trying to make it. There are some well known bands in the movie but most of them are no names if you werent a part of the scene. The Chris Holmes interview is legendary. And very sad. It really makes you take a look at what we were doing to ourselves and the way were living. It didnt change anything, but it did make us think about it! Hah
Yes, absolutely. Funny part, to some degree, is Holmes is still kicking just fine and married to a porn star last I heard. He was actually married to Lita Ford for a few years I think, well after that interview. But I agree with you on the doc... spot on account of a sub-culture that never should have happened in the first place and never would have happened without Mtv, which should have been their main point (for the doc) in hindsight I think. And maybe it was to some, I kinda thought she focused more on the aftermath but maybe that's just me. Regardless you are absolutely right, it is sad.. very, very sad on many levels.
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This is the metal thread isn't it..


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I agree but if you were in the scene at the time (yes I'm an old bastage), you would have been floored just like me when JP jumped on the hair wagon, or tried to rather. You've got to understand that bands like Bathory, CF and Venom were not quite held in the same regard, even with the true, at that time.

You're misunderstanding this because you have no choice.. The hair bands you speak of were never so much as acknowledged by the true at the time, you only think so because Mtv made you. It's really no different than the garbage on Mtv nowadays right, you made the brittany analogy, same difference if you think about it right? Glammed up commercialized corporate sponsored horse poo, thru and thru.

Dude I poop you not, when Turbo came out it changed all the rules. If a band like JP could just flat sell out and send all their followers scurrying for a rock to hide under in embarrassment then ANYBODY could.

Keep in mind that there were not torrents or youtube either so you actually had to pay for the music you heard oftentimes before even hearing it. And on top of that, try to imagine tracking down a copy of a Bathory record in BFE in those days.. If kmart or sears didn't have it you were pretty much SOL where I lived.

I firmly believe that this, what we've been speaking of, contributes directly to bands going nu or core, or whatever's not metal and sells records nowadays. I guess it's one thing to never be metal and quite another, most shameful, thing to have been metal once. These people have neither any soul nor respect for the music they make as far as I can see, so, tell me friend...

WTF should I turn my cheek when they spit in my face?
Actually headbanger I agree with you the internet did change tons of stuff and made thing so much more available. I literally grew up with no positive musical influence my first CD was ****ing No Doubt! I was 10 or so, but realized very quickly that this was not for me, I even stopped listening to music for a good amount of time. I began buying music before the .com era, but I am lucky enough to live right next to mexico and tons of metal bands tour there, and have their albums there. To tell you the truth you shouldn't turn the other cheek, but have you tried to reason with a scene kid there is nothing there, it is drug, sex, and rock and roll for them. That is a slap in the face, but again like arguing with a religious person you will not get anywhere. The same goes to the majority of death, thrash, and especially black metal people. Metal in general is the most annoying group of people I have ever met, the ones that know their **** are amazing people and usually very intelligent, but for the grand majority they are just idiotic beer drinkers. I really can't stand it, to the point that I no longer where metal shirts and refuse to go to concerts.




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This is from the documentary "Decline of the Western Civilization, Part 2, The Metal Years" released in 1988, and is absolutely brilliant. Its Penelope Spheeris' finest work. Part 1 was the punk years. I know that most of you dont like the 80's hairbands but it is what it was and is was massive. For those of us that were in our teens when this stuff came out, it was like nothing anyone had ever heard. It was mind blowing. The music was fun. It was sex, drugs and rock n roll and it was all about excess. If you played in a band, it was twice as massive. Guitar players ruled the world and it was awesome! But i digress, this movie is a very cool inside look into the LA scene of bands trying to make it. There are some well known bands in the movie but most of them are no names if you werent a part of the scene. The Chris Holmes interview is legendary. And very sad. It really makes you take a look at what we were doing to ourselves and the way were living. It didnt change anything, but it did make us think about it! Hah

Must be crazy to live a life like that.
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Im 42 years old and lived it. Crazy is a good word. I came up with a lot of guys that actually did make it, including Pantera. And i came with a lot of guys that OD'd. All in all though, it was something i wouldnt change for anything. It was a blast. I was young punk kid with the world at mt fingertips. So i though. Its what we all thought. Thats why that movie is so powerful. There is a scene where Penelope is interviewing a guy (no name) and asks him "what will you do if you dont make it?" His answer was "that wont happen. I'm gonna make it". She keep pushing, "but what if you dont" and everytime he just says " but i will". Over and over. The thought of not making it has never crossed his mind. Thats the way most of us were. Half of the guys playing didnt have a high school diploma. They had nothing else. Getting signed was all they had. I saw something a few heres ago on a "where are they now" kind of thing and one guy, dont remember who, was painting houses, another guy was a short order cook. They had nothing to fall back on. Music was there life.

And look at some of the ones that did make it big and where they are now. Seems like at least one member from every band is now dead, warrant, quiet riot, ratt, badlands, the list goes on. But there is also a massive resurrgence of this music right now. There are numerous hair band festivals all summer that are doing very well. Its all cyclicle i guess.
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Today Spotify served up Cream - Sunshine on your love on the Heavy Metal radio.

Not sure how that happened. Or if I would pay for a service that cant get that right.

and now play Van Halen. Do I have to create a cattle decapitation radio to hear real metal?
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