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Old 03-14-2007, 03:21 AM   #1
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I just brewed a partial mash 1554 Black ale kit from AHS and instead of a Black ale it looks more like a brown, quite brown. What gives? I did boil a full 5 gallons for the first time, instead of the 2.5 the directions called for. I had the pot size so I figured I'd go for it. The grain bill says is had black patent, could they have forgotten it? The OG was spot on. Was my full boil to blame? What will the outcome be? Taste like a 1554, but brown? Thanks...

 
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:42 AM   #2
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Well we would need to see the total grain bill to determine anything. What was the cited SRM (color) value? I looked at New Belgium's site and didn't really see any info. They did have a picture and you're right it does look black. How does the grain come, all together? Reason I ask is if they sent the specialty grains seperate you probably should have had 2 bags...one in the chocolate realm and one in the roasted/black realm (guessing on this though).

One other thing. Did you look at a sample in a full glass like you'd drink it or just in the hydrometer tube?
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:57 PM   #3
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If the flavor is correct, then the black patent was probably in the grain bag. I did their Swartzbier and it isn't exactly black, except in my Imperial pint glasses.

Boil volume would make very little difference.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:12 PM   #4
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I suppose it's possible that they expected a little more carmalization in a partial boil but I doubt it.

You WILL have more IBU however since you gained a bit more hop utilization in the full boil than the instructions/hop schedule accounted for.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:13 PM   #5
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If I remember correctly Austin pre-mixes all the grains into one bag and hand-marks the bag with it's contents. I suppose it isn't impossible that they omitted some dark specialty grains - but it would be impossible to determine after the fact. I'm sure that it will be a fine beer in the end, though.

 
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:27 PM   #6
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The grains/extract were:
2.5lbs 2-row
1/3lb Black Patent
1/2lb Caravienne
and 5lb Amber LME

All the grains were mixed together in one bag which I steeped for 45 min. I'm not sure of the exact SRM but from my experience at the bar, it is in the blacker relm of things. My color is brown, very similar to the color of the Amber extract I used. It even looks brown in the carboy which typically looks dark anyway.


I'm inclined to think something was off in the grain measurment, but since they write the proportions on the bag (which I assume they do after they mix it), I thought I'd look at my process, which doesn't sound like it's too far off. Anyway, we'll see what happens....perhaps an award winning Black but Brown ale

 
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:03 PM   #7
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Ahh that says it right there. 5.3 oz of Black Patent in that will give you brown to dark brown. I don't think it is nearly enough to make it 'black', especially without any other dark malts.
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:15 PM   #8
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I think you've got a touch of once-you-go-black-you-never-go-back.

 
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:25 PM   #9
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Do you happen to have the hops schedule? I would love to brew this, and I want to do a partial mash. AHS only gives you about 3.5 lbs for a partial mash, but I soon will be able to do 6 pounds.

One thing that surprises is me is how small of a grain bill that is. If I remember correctly, the 1554 black ale is over 5% ABV and from what you have given above I think it would be hard to get it over 4%, unless you did a mash instead of steeping.

Did you brew it with lager yeast?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiery Sword
I think you've got a touch of once-you-go-black-you-never-go-back.

roflmao. I do love dark, beers.
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