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Old 09-17-2011, 02:46 AM   #11
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I've updated it and it still seems a little off -
1.085sg (Sury is 19.5 plato - around 1.078)
8.7% abv (Surly is 8.8)
7.3SRM (Surly is 8)
122.1IBU (Surly is 120)

4.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 36.36 % 60min
4.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 36.36 % 15min
1.50 lb Naked Golden Oats (10.0 SRM) Grain 13.64 %
1.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 13.64 %

3.00 oz Warrior [15.00 %] (60 min) Hops 76.9 IBU
4.00 oz Citra [11.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
2.00 oz Citra [11.00 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 45.1 IBU
3.00 oz Citra [11.00 %] (0 min) Hops -

Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:49 PM   #12
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Anyone? I think it may be a mistake to attempt to hit a calculated 120 ibu
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:07 PM   #13
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Do you know if the hop utilization is calculated from the pre boil gravity? Your wort gravity is going to be in the 1055 range for the majority of the boil, and reaching 1100+ after 45 minutes. This is something that happened to me: when I calculated hop utilization myself I found that beersmith had wrongly calculated the IBUs and I would have added nearly 100 IBUs over my recipe (which goes into an entirely different discussion). I am not sure if I need to re-setup my equipment or what. I did add the dme as a late addition amd it still didn't adjust IBUs based on different hop utilization rates.

Tl;dr I would calculate the IBUs myself and go off of that.
Edit: go for 120. But I would consider late additions. Not sure on Surly's method but that seems like a lot of bittering hops. I had a friend do an abrasive clone and used warrior for bittering and citra for late additions .


 
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:56 AM   #14
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Quote:
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Anyone? I think it may be a mistake to attempt to hit a calculated 120 ibu
Why? That is what they say they do right? It looks tasty to me, I love some Citra.

 
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:44 AM   #15
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Why? That is what they say they do right? It looks tasty to me, I love some Citra.
It's not that I don't think the beer really has 120 ibu's, it is that I think my recipe is overkill for the result due to a bad formula (as the previous poster suggested)

I haven't calculated bitterness on my own yet
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:19 AM   #16
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Thanks to IronKrausen on beeradvocate I realized I messed up my recipe in a few places... how does this new one look:

1.083sg (Sury is 19.5 plato - around 1.078)
8.9% abv (Surly is 8.8)
6.2SRM (Surly is 8)
121.4IBU (Surly is 120)

0.50 lb Simpsons Golden Promise (2.0 SRM) Grain 5 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 5 %
0.50 lb Oats, Malted (1.0 SRM) 5%
4.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 40 % 60min
3.50 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 35 % 15min
1.00 lb Dextrose (0.0 SRM) 9.5% 0min

2.50 oz Warrior [15.00 %] (60 min) Hops 76.9 IBU
4.00 oz Citra [11.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.75 oz Citra [11.00 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 45.1 IBU
3.25 oz Citra [11.00 %] (0 min) Hops -

Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:38 AM   #17
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Did you end up brewing this? If so, how'd it turn out? Also, this is for 5 gallons, correct?

 
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:01 PM   #18
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Did you end up brewing this? If so, how'd it turn out? Also, this is for 5 gallons, correct?
Yes this was 5 gallons, no I didn't brew it. I got myself totally confused and don't know enough about recipe composition to continue yet
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:15 AM   #19
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Just brewed with following recipe. Had to pull off the dry hop early and it is lacking in Citra aroma because of it. I'm torn between 3oz of Citra, or 10 days at 2 ounces. I might go with 3 oz next time to counteract big Warrior bitterness and the dryness. Very tasty. Very strong. Just had half a glass and I'm feeling it.

Type: All Grain Date: 7/27/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Me
Boil Size: 5.70 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
End of Boil Volume 5.20 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal Est Mash Efficiency 75.0 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes: Mashed at 148.5. Poured in water at 165, poured grain and came out at 150.5, ice and stir down to 148.5-149.
Ingredients

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
5 lbs 12.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 39.9 %
5 lbs 12.0 oz Simspons Golden Promise (3.0 SRM) Grain 2 39.9 %
1 lbs Simpsons Golden Oats (10.0 SRM) Grain 3 6.9 %
1 lbs Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 6 6.9 %
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 5 41.0 IBUs
1.75 oz Warrior [15.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 7 81.6 IBUs
1.0 pkg Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) [35.49 ml] Yeast 9 -
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
3.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
14.4 oz Crystal 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.3 %
Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.082 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.079 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.011 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 9.4 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 8.9 %
Bitterness: 122.6 IBUs Calories: 268.5 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 7.9 SRM
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 14 lbs 6.4 oz
Sparge Water: 3.20 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20
Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 17.42 qt of water at 162.6 F 148.5 F 60 min
Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.23gal, 2.98gal) of 168.0 F water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
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Old 09-11-2012, 02:07 PM   #20
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You can't clone Abrasive via the Extract method. Partial Mash will work; All Grain would be better.
You can however adjust the 90 minute boil to 60 minutes, if desired (see below). The key to this beer is the late hop additions.

Abrasive

Partial Mash BIAB Clone
1.081 OG / 1.015 FG
7.5 SRM
8.8% ABV
118-122 ish IBUs

55% Muntons Extra Light DME (Half as a Late Addition)
25% Simpsons Golden Promise (Mash @ 149 for 60 min)
10% Corn Sugar (Late Addition)
5% Simpsons Golden Naked Oats (Mash @ 149 for 60 min)
5% Briess Crystal 20L (Mash @ 149 for 60 min)

35-40 IBUs from Warrior pellets @ 60 min
30-40 IBUs from Warrior pellets @ 25 min
20-25 IBUs from Citra pellets @ 15 min
15-20 IBUs from Citra pellets @ 10 min
Post-Boil Aroma Steep with 0.40 oz. Citra pellets per gallon of beer @ 30 min
Dry Hop with 0.80 oz. Citra pellets per gallon of beer @ 10 days

WLP007 Starter @ 81% Attenuation

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