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Old 04-16-2013, 01:00 AM   #121
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Seems like from my calcs plugging in Stauff's numbers, his was around 8.4-8.5 SRM. If it was just a hair dark, could be looking at a 8.2-8.3SRM. Not sure how to calculate 90 min effects on SRM, beersmith doesn't change the figures, but I know it does get darker.
As I mentioned mine was a hair light... not a hair dark... Sorry again for the confusion. I'm going to post the recipe and process on my next post....
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:16 AM   #122
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As I mentioned mine was a hair light... not a hair dark... Sorry again for the confusion. I'm going to post the recipe and process on my next post....
Doh, I can't read when I'm sober. I think I have my latest recipe at 12oz of c20 and 5oz of c40, that's 5.2% and 2.1%.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:21 AM   #123
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Ok, here's my recipe and process...

Batch Size (fermenter): 5.80 gal
Boil Size: 7.20 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Volume 6.00 gal
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.30 gal

6 lbs Golden Promis 36.8 %
6 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) 36.8 %
1 lbs 12.8 oz Golden Naked Oats 11.0 %
12.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L 4.6 %
4.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine 1.5 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L 1.5 %
1.00 oz Citra [14.10 %] - First Wort 80.0 min 47.9 IBUs
1.50 oz Warrior [16.70 %] - Boil 60.0 min 73.4 IBUs
1 lbs 4.0 oz Corn Sugar (Dextrose) [Boil for 15 min] 7.7 %
2.00 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Boil 0.0 min (45 minute hop stand at 170F)0.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Warrior [16.70 %] - Boil 0.0 min (45 minute hop stand at 170F) 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007)
2.00 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days
1.00 oz Warrior [16.70 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days

Measured Original Gravity: 1.079 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Actual Alcohol by Vol: 8.6 %
Est Color: 8.5 SRM

Mash temp = 148F
Mash Duration = 2 hours
Fermentation Temp = 65F
Primary Fermentation = 7 days
Dry Hop = 7days
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:19 PM   #124
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Too much GNO my dude. GNO are quite sweet and 11% is quite high. Combine this with another 6% crystal malt and you have significant residual sweetness for an IIPA.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:40 PM   #125
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Too much GNO my dude. GNO are quite sweet and 11% is quite high. Combine this with another 6% crystal malt and you have significant residual sweetness for an IIPA.
While I would tend to agree usually, the side by side was so close I would consider not changing a thing and just brewing it again. I'm loving the stuff! I do like beers on the sweet side, though, so I might be biased.

Perhaps next time I'll dial it down a bit.

Thanks for the recommendation bobbrews!
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:54 PM   #126
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I used less than half that for mine and it was also close. Instead of making adjustments to hit the SRM, I would worry about the flavor, aroma, and body first. Color is important when cloning, but it comes in last compared to the other areas. With that said, you really only need 5% GNO & 4% C20 to hit 8 SRM... all other things considered in this recipe.
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I used less than half that for mine and it was also close. Instead of making adjustments to hit the SRM, I would worry about the flavor, aroma, and body first. Color is important when cloning, but it comes in last compared to the other areas. With that said, you really only need 5% GNO and 4% C20 to hit 8 SRM... all other things considered in this recipe.
I agree. At this point the only thing I really care to change is to increase the dankness in the nose and flavor. Aside from that I'm not to worried about the color. I'm not usually one to want to clone beers, but Abrasive is just so good.

When I did the side by side the other night they actually tasted even more alike after warming a few minutes. If that's as good as it gets for me, then I'll feel accomplished.

I think I'll take your advice and dial down the GNO, and I'll tweak my hop schedule and see how different that makes it.
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Try somewhere in the middle... 6% each GNO & C20. My partial mash version used 5% and 4% respectively. Flavorwise, it needed slightly more, but not by too much.

I also don't get dankness from Abrasive. It's fruity, citrusy, and tropical with all of that Citra hop focus. Warrior is edgy as a bittering hop, but not as a FWH. And it's not particularly dank; it's more citrusy. Dank notes would be had from a lot of Columbus, as we see used in Heady Topper and Pliny the Elder. Apollo would also offer dank.
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I am almost wondering if there are hops in Abrasive they don't list on the website. Abrasives taste/smell seem to be more complex than just straight Citra. Unless the combination of warrior and citra at different times produces the unreal flavor/smell?
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@legasus

I could believe a Citra & Amarillo mix. Kern River Citra IIPA does this. You're not going to drastically alter the flavor profile of this beer if you should choose to use some Amarillo late to cut the Citra. It might even be better.
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