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Old 04-21-2011, 12:18 AM   #1
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Default Saison recipe, What do you think?

Fairly simple saison recipe, look good?

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.24 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 9.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 29.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
9.00 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (1.1 SRM) Grain 81.82 %
0.75 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 6.82 %
0.50 lb Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 4.55 %
0.25 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 2.27 %
1.00 oz Pearle [6.50 %] (60 min) Hops 24.3 IBU
1.00 oz Saaz [4.00 %] (10 min) Hops 5.4 IBU
1.00 oz Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.50 lb Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 4.55 %
1 Pkgs Abbey Ale (White Labs #WLP530) Yeast-Ale

Total Grain Weight: 10.50 lb
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Step Time Name Description Step Temp
70 min Step Add 4.52 gal of water at 157.8 F 149.0 F


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Old 04-21-2011, 01:33 AM   #2
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The biggest thing I see is that you probably need to trade out the abbey ale yeast for a saison yeast. I would recommend either wyeast 3711 french saison, or WLP578 Belgian Saison Ale Style blend.

Otherwise, some people might say take out the special B as it will add plum/raisin flavors, but that is all to a persons taste. So feel free to keep it. But I will say, it is not a saison without a saison yeast.


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Old 04-21-2011, 02:02 AM   #3
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But I will say, it is not a saison without a saison yeast.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:20 AM   #4
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You don't need that orange peel. A properly made saison will get you those nice orange and lemon flavors from the yeast alone. Definitely get yourself an actual saison yeast. The Wyeast 3711 (as mentioned above) is my favorite.

A good saison yeast will provide that silky mouthfeel that you want in a saison.

Also that little dash of special b is fine. Not trying to contradict the previous poster but that small of an amount will get you to a nice golden color without adding hardly any flavor.

Here's my recipe for a saison. It's pretty damn fantastic and is about to become a house staple. It features Nelson Sauvin hops, but I've done the same recipe using all Willamette and it turned out great too.
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You might also consider upping the percentage of wheat. It will really help with the mouthfeel.

Something important when brewing a saison is to properly carbonate it. I typically carb mine up to 3.2 volumes.
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I'd increase the percentage of sugar to 10-20% of the fermentables, there are too many overly sweet saisons.
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I don't know about 20% sugar. That's a little high. While I agree that the best part of a saison is the dryness, you don't want it to be too thin, or have harsh alcohol. Instead a good low mash is the real key. 147 is what I like to mash at.
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I'd increase the percentage of sugar to 10-20% of the fermentables, there are too many overly sweet saisons.

I would say that perhaps 1lb-1.5lb would be about right. Maybe a bit much, but it wouldn't be overdoing it.

I normally only add 1lb to my belgain tripel, and that is a 1.078 gravity and it gets sub 1.010 (around 1.008-006).
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Use of spices is allowed and practiced by some Belgian breweries. Saison Dupont is said to use no spices and all the flavors come from the yeast.

I am going to bang out a few other recipes while its still early spring here. 3711 is going on a few rides this summer and I am thinking of doing a dark saison and might do one at a really high temp (90F).
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thanks for the comments.

Would upping the sugar during the boil be a good idea or should I reserve some sugar and add it to the carboy during fermentation? Say 1/2 lb. in the boil and 1/2lb. in the carboy?


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