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Old 06-15-2012, 03:12 AM   #11
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Ok.. ... Always tried to keep additions below 77C (170F) will add hotter water now to raise temperature before mashout..

My efficiency is low (72) aiming for higher and I thing this is affecting it..
I doubt a hotter sparge or 'mashout' will favor efficiency??? Crush perhaps?

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Old 06-15-2012, 03:26 AM   #12
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yes... I have a gap at the end of my mill where grains are getting through.. need to build a better funnel
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:52 AM   #13
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I doubt a hotter sparge or 'mashout' will favor efficiency??? Crush perhaps?
+1 on this. Sparging is just rinsing the sugars from the grain. I don't understand why 10 or 15* would make the sugars diffuse that much faster and make the rinsing that much more efficient. With the runnings going straight to the boil kettle, can someone please explain to me the science behind this, and why this traditional step is more than just a waste of time?

As long as I'm ranting, I would suggest thinking about what you want, and why efficiency beyond 72% really matters. I'm in it for optimal flavor from my beer. Improved efficiency may get you a bit more alcohol, but seems to engender some risk for flavor. I much prefer making great tasting 5% beer to fair (or off) tasting 6% beer. If you just want more alcohol, this hobby is a really costly and labor intensive way to get there (unless you're underage!). Cheap vodka would be far more cost effective and "efficient"!

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can someone please explain to me the science behind this, and why this traditional step is more than just a waste of time?
I'm wondering too. I know that raising the grain temperature to 170 denatures all of the enzymes that convert starches to sugars. So maybe it's to preserve the sugar profile of the mash without continuing conversion during run-off? To me that doesn't seem like much of a problem though. Draining the tun doesn't take very long and conversion should be pretty much wrapped up as it is.

Either way, it's a traditional step I've never taken, and until I hear a better scientific explanation, I'm also skeptical.

 
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The reasons behind doing a mashout are pretty much not an issue when batch sparging because the wort is off the grain and on its way to a boil before those problems will manifest.

 
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:30 PM   #16
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I batch sparge, and I only do one full sparge, as opposed to doing a double sparge. In other words, mash -> run-off -> full sparge with 180F water -> kettle. Is there anything wrong with this procedure? Efficiency seems to be fine.

 
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I batch sparge, and I only do one full sparge, as opposed to doing a double sparge. In other words, mash -> run-off -> full sparge with 180F water -> kettle. Is there anything wrong with this procedure? Efficiency seems to be fine.
This is great. Denny suggests doing two equal runoffs, so you would either mash thinner or add top-off sparge water, stir, then run off first runnings. He said there was increase in efficiency doing this.
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+1 on this. Sparging is just rinsing the sugars from the grain. I don't understand why 10 or 15* would make the sugars diffuse that much faster and make the rinsing that much more efficient. With the runnings going straight to the boil kettle, can someone please explain to me the science behind this, and why this traditional step is more than just a waste of time?
My brain says that the only possibility is that solutions are thinner at higher temperatures, so perhaps the sugars don't clump to the grain as much and are more easily removed from the grist. That's just conjecture, though.
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:44 PM   #19
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If washing dishes, is it beer to rinse once or twice? I sparge twice because I feel it would be more effective for rinsing sugars out than one rinse. Plenty of people do both tho.

 
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Also, I often sparge with cold water without issue. Takes a little longer to get to boil, but not much.

 
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