Coldbreak Brewing HERMS Giveaway!

HomeBrewSupply AMCYL Brew Kettle Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > doing an extract Sierra Nevada Pale clone: bittering?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-27-2011, 04:51 PM   #1
jimlin
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Merrimac, MA
Posts: 167
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default doing an extract Sierra Nevada Pale clone: bittering?

Going to do a partial boil, extract brew. Can't yet go full boil as I don't have the pot for it. Given that it's going to be half DME and half LME (plus a pound of caramel malt 40L steeped), I intended to boil most of the DME but add the LME late. This is going to greatly effect the hop addition schedule.

The recipe I have calls for Magnum for 60 min, Perle for 30, and then a couple late Cascade additions. However, by adding the LME late, that hop schedule gives me an IBU (in BeerAlchemy) of about 48. I change the Magnum and Perle times to 30 and 20 min, and then the IBU drops to 40 (SV site lists their Pale at 37 IBU).

My question is will the Magnum and Perle time changes change the hop flavor dramatically in addition to lowering the IBU.


jimlin is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 05:09 PM   #2
Double_D
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Double_D's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Posts: 1,387
Liked 41 Times on 39 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

It will drastically change how bitter the beer is if you are boiling magnum (14%aa+/-) for half of what the recipe calls for. If you're trying to make a sierra clone why would you change how bitter the beer is?


Double_D is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 05:22 PM   #3
frazier
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,839
Liked 139 Times on 121 Posts
Likes Given: 11

Default

If you are trying to lower the IBUs, better I think to scale back the amounts, rather than change the timing of the additions.
__________________
~
"Anything worth doing, is worth doing slowly." ~~ Mae West
frazier is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 06:06 PM   #4
dcp27
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Medford, MA
Posts: 4,121
Liked 123 Times on 119 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

did you change the boil size to partial? the boil size is going to effect isomerization much more than a late extract add (which actually has been shown to not effect utilization since its break material not OG that alters it)
dcp27 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 06:15 PM   #5
Double_D
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Double_D's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Posts: 1,387
Liked 41 Times on 39 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

But if it's an extract brew is there really any break material?
Double_D is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 06:50 PM   #6
dcp27
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Medford, MA
Posts: 4,121
Liked 123 Times on 119 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

not usually, which is why its been shown that late adds dont actually effect utilization
dcp27 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 07:10 PM   #7
jimlin
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Merrimac, MA
Posts: 167
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

Ok... I think I screwed up by entering everything for a partial boil and had my hop measurements off. SO I backed up, entered everything as if doing a full boil instead of a partial. Came up with only needing .25 oz of both the Magnum (60 min) and the Perle (30 min). Hit 37 IBU on the head. Now I'll adjust the process in BeerALchmey to go to a partial (3 gal boil) and see how I need to adjust the Magnum and Perle to maintain kep the IBU at 37
jimlin is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 07:11 PM   #8
jimlin
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Merrimac, MA
Posts: 167
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frazier View Post
If you are trying to lower the IBUs, better I think to scale back the amounts, rather than change the timing of the additions.
yup... not sure why I was looking at it the other way.
jimlin is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 07:14 PM   #9
jimlin
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Merrimac, MA
Posts: 167
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

BTW, in BeerAlchemy, if I change the time of the addition of the 3.3 lb LME from end of boil to start of boil, it changes my IBU frmo 37 to 31 IBU. I intended to add the LME late, just using the DME for the full length of the boil (60 min).
jimlin is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2011, 07:59 PM   #10
Double_D
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Double_D's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Posts: 1,387
Liked 41 Times on 39 Posts
Likes Given: 80

Default

It is compensating for the supposed drop in efficiency.


Double_D is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello - Intro and 1st Brew (Sierra Nevada Clone) Underway pietaster Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 5 01-18-2011 11:06 PM
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale Recipe - Partial Mash escalante88 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 8 06-18-2010 05:48 PM
Sierra Nevada clone junked89 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 8 04-17-2010 01:45 PM
Sierra Nevada Style Pale ale meavenson Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 2 01-03-2010 12:10 AM
How many IBU's in Sierra Nevada Pale Ale? mahilly Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 4 03-18-2009 12:44 PM


Forum Jump

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS