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Old 02-26-2011, 03:29 PM   #1


I brewed a double partial mash batch, 5 gallons + 5 gallons, both got a mixture of Amarillo and Cascade as FWH, both used Sorachi Ace as bittering 60 minute addition and one got a 1 oz of Cascade at 5 mins, the other 1 oz Amarillo. I dry hopped the Cascade one with Cascade and the Amarillo one Amarillo (!) both 1.5 oz pellets 10 days and then I kegged with 1/2 once of Cascade in one and 1/2 oz Amarillo in the other whole hop flowers.



OK so now the Cascade brew tastes like grass! I certainly hope it will mellow, it's only been a couple of days, but this is not at all what I expected. The Amarillo one is decent. I wonder if it is the hop flowers or the pellets? I have in all me billions of dry hopped beers never used Cascade to dry hop so I wonder if this is it!! Does Cascade dry hopped taste like this? It is not very nice. Or could the hops be suspect? I am not sure how to fix this. I thought I liked Cascade but clearly dry hopping aint terribly good with this hop variety by itself.... thoughts? Similar experiences? Differing experiences? I'd be grateful for some insight here.

The big irony is that I have 3 lbs of cascade pellets and I have in primary a Cascade SMaSH I was going to double dry hop. I am now leaning towards dry hopping with a different variety of hops or a mixture...

 
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:52 PM   #2
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i havent dry hopped with cascade but i have put them in at late addition (flame out) and have noticed a grassy flavor once in a while. For my higher to mid alpha cascades i have been using them more for bittering.

 
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:41 PM   #3
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I have gotten grassy flavors from my homegrown cascades. I've been avoiding them since.

 
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:06 PM   #4

Damn. I have 4 Oz of whole Cascade flowers and I am pretty sure it is these that are grassing up my brew. Weird. I'll stick em in the composter.

Now my question is: is it Cascade or Whole hops that is likely to give me this taste? This was the first time for both for me, first time dry hopping with Cascade, first time dry hopping with whole hops. I up till now I have had wonderful aromatic brews dry hopping with pellets (Simcoe, Amarillo, Chinook, EKG.)

 
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:43 PM   #5
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I've used Cascades a bunch, both late kettle & dry-hop. They should be citrusy, grapefruit kind of aromas & flavors.

I started growing my own hops last year and have heard from several sources that hops that are picked too young, will turn out 'grassy'. Also, this could happen if they are not dried thoroughly before packaging.

So, it may just be that particular hop source, this particular season. You might try searching through the 'hop growing' forum here, and see if there are any ways to improve the hops you already have.

You could also try to come up with a great recipe for grassy hops!

Good luck!
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p.s. Also, you always want to store your hops in the freezer, and sealed in air-tight or ziplock bags. When you do take them out, don't let them sit in direct sunlight during your brewday.

 
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Old 02-27-2011, 03:49 AM   #6

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I've used Cascades a bunch, both late kettle & dry-hop. They should be citrusy, grapefruit kind of aromas & flavors.

I started growing my own hops last year and have heard from several sources that hops that are picked too young, will turn out 'grassy'. Also, this could happen if they are not dried thoroughly before packaging.

So, it may just be that particular hop source, this particular season. You might try searching through the 'hop growing' forum here, and see if there are any ways to improve the hops you already have.

You could also try to come up with a great recipe for grassy hops!

Good luck!
--LexusChris

p.s. Also, you always want to store your hops in the freezer, and sealed in air-tight or ziplock bags. When you do take them out, don't let them sit in direct sunlight during your brewday.
Well I guess its OK since I'll drink anything! Grassy is not my favorite though that's for sure. Thanks for the tips!

 
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:12 AM   #7
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I've gotten this when I over did late additions of low alpha hops. Just let it age awhile. It turn into a VERY nice flavor.

 
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:22 AM   #8
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Ya know... I love grassy aroma. I work to try to achieve a good dose of it.

 
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:34 PM   #9

I am embarrassed and confused to say my grassy beer is now tasting quite good! Confused because I thought it was the whole hops I tossed in the keg, embarrassed because I *know* after all this time the beer tastes best after 3 weeks or so in the keg. Thing is that 100% of the time up - till now that is - it also tastes pretty fine after 3 days.

So I am wondering if it is the pellets, or perhaps the fact that I poured the cold+hot break and troub into the fermenter instead of whirlpooling and discarding the gunk like I usually do?

I tell you, the trouble with this stuff is that there are too damn many variables to get a really good answer unless you are super disciplined and precise...!

 
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:27 PM   #10
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I have a similar problem with a batch I have in the keg right now. The flavor is odd and sometimes isn't too bad but sometimes really sticks out.

this was the recipe:

For ~5.5 gallons:

10# Vienna
.5# Cara-Pils

.5oz columbus @ FWH
.5oz columbus @ 60
.5oz columbus @ 30
1oz cascade @ 20
.5oz columbus @ 10
.5oz columbus @ 0

Nottingham Dry Yeast




It fermented real cold (mid 50's for a bit) and it ended up with this grassy taste. I also added a bunch of dry hops but I forgot exactly which ones. I blame the flavor on the hop schedule. We will see.

 
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