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Old 01-10-2011, 11:19 AM   #1
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I had read about it happening to others (John Palmer relays his experience freezing his lager in How To Brew), so I didn't cry when I discovered my frozen ale as I was about to bottle it this evening. But I surely did have to abandon hope of bottling it tonight. I had all my bottles sanitised and my priming sugar boiled when I went in to the fridge to lift out the fermentor of beer that I had been cold crashing for 5 days. I didnít like the solid look that I saw from the outside and sure enough when I opened the lid, here is what I saw:


I had been cold crashing it in my fridge at the coldest setting. I had kept a close eye on it for the first few days for any signs of freezing. I even had a plastic bottle with a drop of water that I could check for freezing above the fermentor and another one below and there was not a sign of any freezing in those first few days. So than I got complacent and put too much trust in my fridge and left it at the low setting until the bottling day that didnít happen.

Itís not frozen solid, itís liquid towards the bottom, but itís hard to tell how frozen it is. I took a sample from the tap, tasted it and it was super sweet Ė it measured an SG of 1.032. It must be because itís the water thatís frozen out first leaving concentrated beer at the bottom.

So now Iím leaving it out at room temperature over night and when itís defrosted Iíll give it a bit of a stir around to get it evenly mixed again and then Iíll give it a day or two to settle before bottling. Iím hoping the yeast in it is ok enough for carbonation as I donít have a spare packet of yeast to match the kit yeast and throwing in a different yeast strain could possibly do more harm than good. So Iím not too worried about it, I reckon sheíll be alright - what do you think?



 
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:07 PM   #2
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I think you've got a real Ice Beer goin' there.



 
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:09 PM   #3
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Was it done fermenting at 1.032? I wouldn't think that concentrated beer would taste sweet at all.

 
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:13 PM   #4
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If your gravity seems normal once it thaws I would pitch a packet of something neutral like Nottingham or Coopers just to make sure it carbs up. If its done fermenting, the yeast won't give off enough esters to cause any flavor profile change.

 
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Old 01-10-2011, 01:55 PM   #5
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Was it done fermenting at 1.032? I wouldn't think that concentrated beer would taste sweet at all.
Yeah, I would expect the concentrated beer to be drier rather than sweeter.

 
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:23 PM   #6
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Yeah, I would expect the concentrated beer to be drier rather than sweeter.
It would be sweeter because the residual sugars would be more concentrated.

I am not sure that fermentation was complete in the first place but that will have to be determined once it thaws.

I also agree that you should add some more yeast. It is likely that you froze and killed a good portion of the yeast so you may experience slow carbonation or no carbonation in some bottles.

 
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:26 PM   #7
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It would be sweeter because the residual sugars would be more concentrated.

I am not sure that fermentation was complete in the first place but that will have to be determined once it thaws.

I also agree that you should add some more yeast. It is likely that you froze and killed a good portion of the yeast so you may experience slow carbonation or no carbonation in some bottles.
I agree! I'd just get a package of dry nottingham (no need to "match" the strain) and put 1/3 of a package of it in the cooled priming solution. Or pitch the dry yeast when the beer warms up, to see if it'll ferment a bit further.

No need to stir the beer, either, once it thaws- you don't want to introduce oxygen. I'd probably just keep it covered and gently swirl it. Racking it to the bottling bucket will help mix it too, especially if you start the siphon in the middle, and gently rack from the top/bottom/middle just by gently moving the racking cane.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:19 PM   #8
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Before I froze it I had measured SG of 1.018 for 3 days straight (it was fermenting for 2 weeks - slightly higher than target of 1.015 but close enough I reckoned. I am assuming the sweetness I tasted is the result of the concentration with a lot of the water being frozen out of it. When I checked it this morning there was still a big chunk of ice floating inside it and it went quite deep so I reckon it was pretty well frozen.

Thanks for advice on not stirring it, I had planned on stirring it gently to get it evenly mixed but I guess you could be right about introducing oxygen. I did stir it a bit and broke up the ice block with a spoon this morning so I hope I didn't cause too much oxygenation.

 
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:50 AM   #9
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Do you think I need to bring the temp up to 65F before pitching additional yeast? or should it be ok to pitch once the ice has all gone?

 
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:17 AM   #10
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You can bottle cold. Pitch the new yeast into the bottling bucket, even if it's cold. But, make sure to bring the bottles to > 70 for a week to get them carbed, Under 70 can greatly increase the carbonation time. > 70 and it only takes a week.


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