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Old 12-21-2010, 03:47 AM   #1
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Default Escape from Stuck Fermentation Mountain - AE to the Rescue!

Oatmeal Stout, mashed way to high (160s).
OG=1.063. FG = 1.032. Ouch. This after 2 weeks fermentation.

I pulled a test jar and added amylase enzymes. 1/4 tsp. Test jar sat at room temp. Here's how that turned out:

December 11, before enzymes:


December 13, 2 days after enzymes added


December 18, 7 days after enzymes added; pen added to increase volume of test jar so hydrometer would float


Today (December 20), the gravity is still 1.012.


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Old 12-21-2010, 03:56 AM   #2
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This would have probably finished much lower if not for the oatmeal and lactose that were in the recipe. So, I wouldn't recommend this unless your mash is hopelessly stuck at a cloying level. This beer might still turn out a disappointment. Will know in January. I probably won't bottle until January.

Here's the recipe in case anyone cares:

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Amount Item Type % or IBU
18.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 67.29 %
3.00 lb Oats, Flaked (1.3 SRM) Grain 11.21 %
1.50 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.61 %
1.50 lb Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 5.61 %
1.00 lb SB Victory Malt (28.0 SRM) Grain 3.74 %
0.75 lb Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM) Grain 2.80 %
1.00 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 21.7 IBU
2.00 oz Northern Brewer [8.50 %] (30 min) Hops 17.2 IBU
2.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.00 lb Milk Sugar (Lactose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 3.74 %
2 Pkgs Saflager Dry Lager (Fermentis #S-23) Yeast-Lager


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Old 12-21-2010, 04:06 AM   #3
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You fermented a stout with lager yeast?
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:14 AM   #4
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Yes. Fermented at about 54.
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You fermented a stout with lager yeast?
I've heard some of commercial lagers, like Lion Stout, are lager fermented.
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But how did it taste at 1.032? Too many people get worked up over numbers. I bet your gravity had as much to do with the fact that your base malt was only 2/3rds of the grist.
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I've heard some of commercial lagers, like Lion Stout, are lager fermented.
Yep. Some examples of Foreign Extra Stout are brewed with lager yeast.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style13.php#1d
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But how did it taste at 1.032? Too many people get worked up over numbers. I bet your gravity had as much to do with the fact that your base malt was only 2/3rds of the grist.
I doubt this. MO has enough diastatic power to convert 40 or 50% adjuncts and specialty grains. Mashing in the 160s denatures beta amylase in under 15 minutes and alpha doesn't survive too much longer unless it's thicker than 1 qt/lb, so he was stuck with a ton of longer sugars and starches. Plus he's got a few points added to his FG from the pound of lactose. You could mash in 100% 6-row at 162* and you wouldn't have much better attenuation.
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Quick update on this, I added 2 tsp of AE to a carboy of this stout. The carboy was at about 1.030 when added (it was stable at this gravity). After a few days, it was down to 1.022 and stable. Based on my test jar, I expected it to drop further, but it didn't, and I'm glad for it.

I'm not sure if enzymes are "expended" in the process of catalyzing starch to fermentable sugars. I would have thought not, but the evidence seems to indicate that I didn't add enough to the carboy in order to get the attenuation that I got in the test jar.

I hope it was finished because I have it at 32F now and will be bottling on new years.
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This beer finished great!

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