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Old 12-12-2010, 05:41 PM   #1
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So I used to do a fair amount of homebrewing back in college. But it's been a number of years. About a month ago I bought a friend's all-grain setup and brewed up a couple of quick batches of extract based ales. I hjave never brewed an all grain batch prior to yesterday.

I asked my friend to come over and walk me through the all-grain setup. What an absolute mistake that was. Prior to him coming over I spent some time on here researching methods and whatnot and by the time he came over, I had a pretty good idea of what to do.

Well my friend comes over and the brewday was by far the most frustrating, irritating day ever. It pretty much culminated in me telling my friend to go home.

Basically the guy goes overboard on every level. He had a fifteenm step procedure for everything that should be done in one step. Need a spoon to mix your mash? First you need to fill up a new bucket with Sanstar, wash spoon, disinfect, lay to dry, pray over it, resanitize....... I kept reiterating that people have brewed beer siuccesfully for thousands of years and "RHAHB".

"You should disinfect your mash tun". Why? there is no reason to disinfect the mash tun.

I used brewsmith to design my brewday and he basically argued every point in Brewsmith.

"So Brewsmith says my water should be 168 degrees." I say.

"No, we always went 180".

Ok, so I go 180 and the temperature of the mash is too high.

"Beersmith says I should add 5.7 gallons of water to the mash" I exclaim.

"No. You need at least 8.", followed a few minutes later with "Oh wait, maybe you were right, now we have nothing to sparge it with".

In the end, not only was the day pretty much a waste, I got a whopping 45% efficiency and ended up with a wort that looks like tea with a OG of 1.052 for what was supposed to be an imperial IPA. I have no faith in this batch and fully expect to end up with watery hop tea.

And what really pisses me off? I had it right without him. In each and every instance I would ask "are you sure" or "Dude, that doesn't sound right" to be met with his insistence that he knows all.

So, the moral of the story: Don't take advice from people that don't knpow what the hell they are talking about.

 
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:45 PM   #2
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So, the moral of the story: Don't take advice from people that don't knpow what the hell they are talking about.
This should be a disclaimer given to every new visitor to HBT...

Sorry to hear about the frustrating brew day, but sounds like you pretty much know the process. Shouldn't have any problems next time around.
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:47 PM   #3
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Bummer

Sounds like you know what you are doing all by yourself. The good thing is that you will probably end up with a really nice IPA, I mean, all the hops of a DIPA in an IPA, you can't go wrong...and if it ends up being over kill the hops will settle down a little with some age and you will find the zen hop balance.

 
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:48 PM   #4
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Sounds frustrating!

Its always fun to watch somebody else on THEIR brewday and assist where you can. That way you can pick up some knowledge but if they are being a complete tard you can just watch and hopefully drink some their brew while you're there.

Cheers to getting back in the brew game

 
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:50 PM   #5
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Everyone does things differently. It's a pretty flexible and reliable process, mainly the goal is to put the yeast in a position to succeed in their job. Some people just really like the process, some people are as economical as possible in processes, and for the most part, the results are all good.

Learn from others but find a process that you are comfortable with, and that give you good outcomes.
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:23 PM   #6
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Are you sure he's a "friend"? Sounds more like a nuisance than anything. Sorry to hear about the problems. Chalk it up to a learning lesson and always listen to your own research.
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:40 PM   #7

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Don't take advice from people that don't knpow what the hell they are talking about.
My ears are burning . . . .

 
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:43 PM   #8
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Have you ever tasted your friends brew? Maybe he sold he the equipment because he could never figure out to use it right and make a decent beer.

 
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:48 PM   #9
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Have you ever tasted your friends brew? Maybe he sold he the equipment because he could never figure out to use it right and make a decent beer.
My thoughts exactly!
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:51 PM   #10
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Sounds aweful. I'm sure you'll make a great one next time.

 
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