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Old 11-23-2010, 04:56 AM   #21
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It does sound like you have an infection, but it won't hurt anything to give the bottles more time to be sure. I would hang on to them for a few more months before dumping them. Meanwhile, get that pipeline filled!
I've got my second batch, a light ale, in bottles for a week now and a dunkelweizen in my secondary, also for a week. I tried the ale after a week in bottles. Although still too flat, the flavor was still much, much better than the amber bock.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:03 AM   #22
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I'm very anal about wiping off all my counters and sinks with a new sponge and bleach before getting started. I then sanitize everything else with the one step. I'm not saying that I couldn't have screwed up something (most likely I did), but from watching many, many youtube videos online, I feel that I am much more 'sterile' than nearly any of their procedures.

This certainly does not taste like old phonebook or cardboard (well, how I would imagine those tasting )

I will trust my sanitizer for my subsequent batches and skip the dishwasher for sure.

It sounds as though I contaminated something from the sounds of the responses. Is there another explanation for my description of the beer? If not, I guess I'll have to assume I contaminated my beer somehow.
I have no experience with One-Step, but it's not a considered a sanitizer anymore by the FDA. Take that as you will. I use an acidified bleach solution and it works fine (1 T of bleach and vinegar for 5 gallons of water).

Were your bottles extra, squeaky clean when you sanitized ? I've had a few slip by two rounds of careful examination and come out dirty with specks of mold or dirt at the bottom last weekend after a good long oxyclean soak and rinse. It wouldn't explain why ALL of the bottles came out foul though... Also, where do you store your brewing equipment when it's not being in use ? I try to store nothing wet or you can have mildew and assorted spores take home into soft plastic scracthes.

 
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:04 AM   #23
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Also from what I understand one step isn't classified as a sanitizer anymore
Dang you beat me to it

 
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:12 AM   #24
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I have no experience with One-Step, but it's not a considered a sanitizer anymore by the FDA. Take that as you will. I use an acidified bleach solution and it works fine (1 T of bleach and vinegar for 5 gallons of water).

Were your bottles extra, squeaky clean when you sanitized ? I've had a few slip by two rounds of careful examination and come out dirty with specks of mold or dirt at the bottom last weekend after a good long oxyclean soak and rinse. It wouldn't explain why ALL of the bottles came out foul though... Also, where do you store your brewing equipment when it's not being in use ? I try to store nothing wet or you can have mildew and assorted spores take home into soft plastic scracthes.
It seemed as if the one step was the most highly recommended. Well, I just bought a five pound bucket of it, so that's what I'm stuck with for the time being.

It's possible that a few bottles got by with specks of gunk in them. I do make an effort to keep them all very clean; I rinse them all right after drinking the beers and then rewash them all with a brush and spray. Also all the bottles of beer are uniformly disgusting to drink.

ETA: I hadn't noticed your last couple of sentences in your post. I dry everything as much as I can. Items such as the tubing and siphon that are not easily dried are laid out to dry in my basement office/fledgling brewery. It is also my gun/reloading room, so the humidity is kept very low in order to keep rust down - so they dry very quickly.

Thanks for all the help so far guys!
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:30 AM   #25
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You mentioned it was an amber bock kit, but I did not see an indication of the yeast you used. As bocks are lagers, the temperature range of your fermentation, 70-73 is way too high if using a lager yeast and would result in off tastes.

The primary by product of the jet dry should be a loss of head or head retention.

 
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:34 AM   #26
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You mentioned it was an amber bock kit, but I did not see an indication of the yeast you used. As bocks are lagers, the temperature range of your fermentation, 70-73 is way too high if using a lager yeast and would result in off tastes.

The primary by product of the jet dry should be a loss of head or head retention.
I couldn't tell you the type of yeast I used. I didn't realize at the time that would be something I should know. But, here's the kit I used, if that will help. The directions said to brew between 65 and 75 degrees.
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:00 AM   #27
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I couldn't tell you the type of yeast I used. I didn't realize at the time that would be something I should know. But, here's the kit I used, if that will help. The directions said to brew between 65 and 75 degrees.
Looked at the kit. It did not say if it was an ale or a lager yeast. Optimum fermentation temperatures (Different from the pitching temperature) can vary from the 40s to about 75 degrees depending on the yeast strain. If you buy a White Labs, Wyeast or Fermentis yeast strain the optimum fermentation temperature is generally on the label. The kit yeasts generally don't tell you anything and leave you to guess.

 
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:27 AM   #28
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I have no experience with One-Step, but it's not a considered a sanitizer anymore by the FDA.
That may be so, but it doesn't mean that it ISN'T a sanitizer. This argument continues ad naseum, but t it IS a sanitizer. The fact that it isn't recognized by the government has to do with politics (and money) and nothing to do with it's effectiveness.

If you followed the directions, your problem is not with One-Step.
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:08 AM   #29
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I'll toss out another possibility other than the dishwasher issue (considering it happened to me!): is there a possibility that the beer oxidized? Wondering since you didn't describe the taste/smell issue if the beer was splashed during transfer or if there were issues with bubbles forming in the bottling wand/line. I had an an entire batch of vanilla stout go down the drain after I somehow oxidized the brew when I transferred to the bottling bucket. Prior to that, it tasted fantastic, but after about 3 weeks in bottle, it was undrinkable (almost like a seriously dry Merlot).
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:45 AM   #30
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That may be so, but it doesn't mean that it ISN'T a sanitizer. This argument continues ad naseum, but t it IS a sanitizer. The fact that it isn't recognized by the government has to do with politics (and money) and nothing to do with it's effectiveness.

If you followed the directions, your problem is not with One-Step.
Did you read my post all the way ? Where did I argue that it wasn't a sanitizer ?

 
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