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Old 12-23-2010, 02:14 PM   #11
jalgayer
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Update

Went down this morning and it looks like the oxygen introduced from taking a sample
Has caused a thin white pellicle to form.

I will continue to monitor the taste.

Thanks for all the advice

 
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Old 12-28-2010, 06:31 PM   #12
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Hey
I have it in the basement at high 50s to low 60s in temp. Is that a problem to let it sit from months 5-9 at this temp? Will it negate any progress?
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J
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Old 12-28-2010, 08:22 PM   #13
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As long as the basement doesn't go to below freezing for too long, and I doubt it could, you will be fine. Just a little slower progress.

 
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Old 12-28-2010, 08:51 PM   #14
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Would it be a good idea to move it to a corner of the house (60-70F or so most of the time) or are the effects negligible?
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:16 PM   #15
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60-70 will make a beer that will sour more quickly

 
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:08 PM   #16
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Thanks all for the help with this.
Just did a gravity test and taste test at the 6 month mark.

Souring nicely - especially for only 6 months. Great flavor behind the sourness and very nice amber color. Different flavors at different points of the taste (intial sour, lingering oakiness (slight) - just reasonably complex overall.

Has a solid pellicle going now and looking good heading into the next 6 months.

Just added 1 more ounce of french medium toast oak chips that have been soaking in makers mark for 6 months. The oak level was very low at this tasting and I figured it has 6 months to go so I will add a little every 2-3 months if it needs it.

Original recipe below...

Well,

Between posting and reading here, other forums, and books... I have come up with the following plan for my sour. I hope to get some feedback and advice to shore this up. Thank you all for your input (past and present)

MASH THE FOLLOWING AT 155F for 90min
1.75# Munich
1.75# Vienna
8oz Aromatic
6oz Caramunich
4oz Special B

BRING TO BOIL AND ADD
2# Wheat DME
1# Light DME
1oz Fuggles (15IBU)

COOL TO 68F AND ADD
Wyeast Rosealare Blend into a 6.5 Gallon Bucket with an airlock

FERMENT IN BUCKET
3-4 weeks

RACK TO 5GAL BETTER BOTTLE
With little head-space and an airlock

FORGET ABOUT IT
In the basement in the mid to high 60's for a year

ADD 1oz OAK CHIPS
To the better bottle for 1 more month

BOTTLE
With a little extra yeast

STATS

Predicted SG: 1.049
Predicted FG: 1.002
Predicted ABV: 6.1%
SRM: 13

FINAL NOTES
The timelines are approximations.
The predictions are just that
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:29 PM   #17
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Gravity?

 
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:46 PM   #18
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Gravity Progression was as follows:

(July) Brewed : 1.060
(August) Fermentation Slows and Kraiussen Drops : 1.020
(October) Grav Check: 1.014
(December) Open to allow oxygen in (no grav check)
(End December) Pellicle Forms (no grav check
(Now - January 20th): 1.005

Seems like a decent progression. I am assuming that the only mild sourness is due to only a 6 month time mark.

I look forward to the next 6 months.

Any tips on ways to add complexity to this beer?

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Old 01-24-2011, 09:22 PM   #19
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Any tips on ways to add complexity to this beer?
Time. Some of the most complex sours to me are the ones that don't have character from a wood/fruit/spice covering up the flavors from the yeast and bacteria. The best sours are often aged 2-3 years before bottling, something I haven't been been able to will myself to really try yet.
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Old 01-24-2011, 11:48 PM   #20
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Time. Yeah... Crazy that the yeast and bugs are still doing stuff after 2 years +.
I dont plan to add any spice or fruit to the mix. I agree I want to taste the yeast and bugs.
The little bit of oak I add was because I dont see that overpowering the sour beer. Especially since it will be sitting for another 6-12 months.
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