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Old 10-29-2010, 04:25 PM   #1
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Hello All,

I have a smoked stout that has finished out around 1.012. Im gettting ready to keg it and it hit me, GET FUNKY
See GREAT ODINS RAVEN in my signature.


So Im going to pull off a gallon or so into its own jug, pitch the dregs from a bottle of Orval and see what happens.

Should I dose any sugar to get the gravity of the funky subset back up a bit? If so would it matter if it were DME/table sugar/molasses etc?

Thanks.
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Old 10-29-2010, 06:50 PM   #2
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Your yeast from fermentation will end up eating any added sugar before the brett gets going.

Is the jug with an air lock or is it sealed? If it's sealed beware of bottle bombs.

 
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:11 PM   #3
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Thanks maida, I under stand that Brett will ferment longer chain sugars that Sacch wont touch. I guess that brings me to the crux of the question how do you deal with bottling a brett spiked beer without bombs?

If the jug has an airlock do I just let brett go at it and then re-yeast (with something neutral like S-05) for bottle conditioning?

Or is it possible to calculate bottle carbonation via my FG using only brett and not get bombs.
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:14 PM   #4
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Read this thread currently going on right now
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f163/mur...-yeast-203274/

Couldn't you use campden to kill the brett as well once you get the proper profile and then re-yeast to bottle if you wanted to do it that way?

 
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:40 PM   #5
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Thanks maida, I under stand that Brett will ferment longer chain sugars that Sacch wont touch. I guess that brings me to the crux of the question how do you deal with bottling a brett spiked beer without bombs?

If the jug has an airlock do I just let brett go at it and then re-yeast (with something neutral like S-05) for bottle conditioning?

Or is it possible to calculate bottle carbonation via my FG using only brett and not get bombs.
I heard a interview with the brewer from New Glarus about this very subject. He said they had to very careful when doing the bottle conditioning.

I really don't have much experience but I think it may take some trial and error. Use strong bottles. The Belgian beer bottles are much stronger then the average American beer bottle. I'd just prime it for 2 volumes. Perhaps the brett will bring it up further to 3 or 4 volumes. A good strong Belgian beer bottle will hold 3-4 volumes.

 
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:58 PM   #6
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Are the belgian bottles cap-able or do they have to be corked and caged.

Are there any calculators out there that could figure out how many volumes of co2 brett may produce from a beer that is already at say a 1.012 terminal gravity. Terminal via "normal" beer yeast.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:02 PM   #7
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Are the belgian bottles cap-able or do they have to be corked and caged.

Are there any calculators out there that could figure out how many volumes of co2 brett may produce from a beer that is already at say a 1.012 terminal gravity. Terminal via "normal" beer yeast.
The smaller 12oz bottles will take caps. I think duvel comes in 4 packs.

I don't know of any calculator. You're gonna have to wing it.

OR

Carb it in a keg and then you have full control of the carbonation levels.

 
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:21 PM   #8
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Cork and cage has always been intriguing to me. Is there a source on line for the "mushroom" or "champagne" corks and cages? I have a standard corker for wine corks. Will that work or do I need something different for mushroom corks?

 
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:51 PM   #9
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Cork and cage has always been intriguing to me. Is there a source on line for the "mushroom" or "champagne" corks and cages? I have a standard corker for wine corks. Will that work or do I need something different for mushroom corks?
I don't know of an amazing deal on them but most big name brew sites will sell them. The biggest hassle with corking mushroom corks is having the right corker. You need to be able to stop the corking process half way through. I have a double handle corker. It was hard to stop the corking and then take the bottle and cork out of the corker without undoing some of the work. I ended up borrowing a friends floor corker.

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Old 10-29-2010, 09:00 PM   #10
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Probably takes my corker out of it then. I do some wine on the side to keep my wife happy. I use straight corks with an "iris" style hand corker.

 
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