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Old 10-16-2010, 09:52 PM   #1
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My current plan is:

5 gallons of UV pasteurized cider from a local cider mill + 1 packet champagne yeast + pectic enzyme until it stops bubbling... then rack it off the primary fermenter/yeast cake to a bottling bucket.

Once it's in the bottling bucket, add 5 crushed campden tablets and up to one additional gallon of UV pasteurized cider, tasting every once in a while until desired sweetness is reached.

I'm going to be bottling since I don't have the capacity for kegging... will the campden tablets and siphoning into a bottling bucket+using pectic enzyme to hopefully drop the particulate matter down prevent me from having bottle bombs?

 
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:26 PM   #2

No, I don't believe it will. Campden doesn't generally stop yeast, it knocks down other bugs and gives the yeast room to do its work. You would need to us potassium sorbate, I think, to do what you are suggesting. This is a helpful thread http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f32/i-th...e-info-139409/

 
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:09 AM   #3
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you could always pasteurize them...

 
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:23 PM   #4
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Yeah, I think I'm going to go the pasteurization route... I don't even need to backsweeten that way.

 
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Old 10-18-2010, 06:31 PM   #5
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OK, so my OG was 1.057(no sugar added).

The attenuation of my yeast(Red Star Pasteur Champagne Yeast) is 72-77% so I can expect to end up maybe around 1.014 FG.

1.014 should be pretty sweet, right? I think I might just let this batch ferment until dry and then add priming sugar like a beer... it seems much easier than pasteurizing

 
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:35 PM   #6
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You will be surprised that the yeast will pretty much devour all the sugars in the cider, even though the attenuation of the yeast says differently. I have a batch that I am racking tonight, that I used Safeale S04, and I had attempted to bottle a couple weeks ago and had bottle bombs all over the place. I was able to save 75% of the cider, and dumped them all back into the primary to let it finish.

I guess what I am saying is don't be surprised when it hit 1.000 on you SG reading.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:59 AM   #7
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You will be surprised that the yeast will pretty much devour all the sugars in the cider, even though the attenuation of the yeast says differently. I have a batch that I am racking tonight, that I used Safeale S04, and I had attempted to bottle a couple weeks ago and had bottle bombs all over the place. I was able to save 75% of the cider, and dumped them all back into the primary to let it finish.

I guess what I am saying is don't be surprised when it hit 1.000 on you SG reading.
How long did it take your bottle bombs to develop?

 
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:40 AM   #8
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OK, so my OG was 1.057(no sugar added).

The attenuation of my yeast(Red Star Pasteur Champagne Yeast) is 72-77% so I can expect to end up maybe around 1.014 FG.

1.014 should be pretty sweet, right? I think I might just let this batch ferment until dry and then add priming sugar like a beer... it seems much easier than pasteurizing
Attenuation is only a factor when using complex sugars like in malts. Any yeast will attenuate 100% when using simple sugars like cider, honey, corn or cane sugar.

 
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:36 PM   #9
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In order to get a yeast to quit early the only "natual way would to use a yeast with a low alcohol tolerance and have way more sugars available than it can handle.

Champagne yeasts tolerance is quite high compared to others.

 
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:13 PM   #10
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My bottle bombs started in about 48 hours.

I checked the SG of that batch of cider, and it was at 0.995, and this was using Safeale S04 yeast. I racked it off the yeast cake and have it sitting in a carboy. I will rack it again, next week, and try to back sweeten it a bit and then try bottling again. I hope it works this time. Next week I will also have time to monitor and pasturize them too.
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