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Old 10-24-2010, 02:58 AM   #11
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So I gotta apologize,
The Dragon Stout is in the 250, not the lion stout.

Dragon Stout

Grain
12lb of 6 row
14oz of Crystal (75L)
.75lb of Simpsons Debittered black
1.75lb of corn sugar
2oz of Sinimar
11 AAU of Yakima Magnum @ 60min. (.67oz of 16%AAU)
Wyeast 2112 Lager

Mash @ 153 for 60
Boil for 120 min.
Sugar @ last 15 min.
Ferment @70, Condition @58 for 2 weeks
Add Sinimar when Kegging.

Aiming for
OG of 1.075
FG of 1.016
IBU of 35
SRM of 74
ABV of 7.5%


Sorry I couldn't be of more help ...


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Old 10-25-2010, 09:33 PM   #12
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If you decide to try a clone, could you please put the recipe on here ?


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Old 10-28-2010, 01:09 AM   #13
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Waitaminute, wait a freakin minute. I have been operating under the idea that Lion, being a tropical stout, was a lager. BUT I was just reading the label on the bottle I was just drinking and the back label says it is top fermenting. In fact even Michal Jackson raved "This was the top-fermenting Lion Stout….it was bottle conditioned and had an extraordinary chcolatey, mocha…character"

SO that means it is an Ale dammit!!!!

So what yeast to do?

Anyone?
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:38 AM   #14
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My 2 cents...
WLP0023 - Burton Ale. Fantastic flavors this yeast has (I'm in love with it), I think it would be great for a FES. Plus, it has moderate attenuation so it will still leave a good amount of residual sweetness that would be great for a tropical stout.
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Old 10-28-2010, 02:42 PM   #15
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If you want to clone Lion, email Kris England.

I can tell you that the color is almost entirely not from grain.
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If you want to clone Lion, email Kris England.

I can tell you that the color is almost entirely not from grain.
Are you refferring to the Sinamar in the second recipe posted?

I looked it up

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SSinamar® is the ideal way to color-correct your lighter beers and to adjust your SRM levels post-fermentation. It is also great for "creative" brewing, and turning a pilsner into a Schwartzbeer, a brown porter into a stout, an IPA into a Black IPA, etc. In order to raise the color of 5 gallons by 6 SRM use 1 ounce of Sinamar.

Sinamar®: Made from Carafa® roasted barley malt and is very dark in color. Extract value is 40-45 Plato°. Sinamar® has been de-bittered through a proprietary processes and does not cause turbidity. It is highly pH-stable and is an all natural product made without any additives.

Note: While Sinamar is primarily used for color correction it also has a slight impact on the beer's flavor profile as well. We recommend sampling for both color and flavor contribution when deciding how much to use in your beer.
It can be bought here, http://morebeer.com/view_product/113...alt_Color_1_oz

I've come upon mention of Dehusked caraffa Special 2 as a replacement.
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Well they aren't using sinimar, probably something closer to brewer's caramel. Not sure exactly what they have in Sri Lanka. But the idea is that a lot of the color is coming from things that don't taste roasted so sinimar or carafa special in the sparge are probably reasonable approaches if not authentic.

Kris England probably knows more about tropical stout than anyone else in the US. If you are serious about making a good clone, I would pick his brain. He's a BJCP officer so you can contact him that way.
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Kris England probably knows more about tropical stout than anyone else in the US. If you are serious about making a good clone, I would pick his brain. He's a BJCP officer so you can contact him that way.
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Please update this if you can, it's my GFs favorite beer and I love it too. Their bottles are my favorite also . I can almost bottle an entire batch in Lion Stout bottles now hah.

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