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Old 08-21-2005, 11:00 PM   #1
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I need some help! I'm on my 10th batch, all have been successful so far. I use partial grain recipes. Well, today I steeped the grains as usual and the result looked fine. Then I added 7 lbs of light, unhopped DME which seemed to disolve just fine. I brought it to the boil, and started to notice lots (LOTS) of little pieces of crap floating around in the wort. At this point I've boiled for 40 minutes (20 more to go) and the crap is still churning around. The pieces are soft, about 1/4" and smaller, and seem to be undissolved DME. Rubbing one between my fingers leaves a sticky residue.

I haven't changed anything with my process, and have never seen this. Old or bad DME???? Any guesses??

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Old 08-22-2005, 12:39 AM   #2
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Did you add the DME before it was boiling? I always get it rolling first, stir vigorously, and add the DME into the vortex a little at a time. Sounds dramatic, huh .

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:59 PM   #3
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I don't know what to tell you. If you were doing all grain, I'd say you're seeing coagulated protiens, hot break, etc. I didn't think that happened too much with DME.

It sounds like undissolved DME though. Sudsmonkey is right, add the DME close to, or at boil. That should help.
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Old 08-24-2005, 02:58 PM   #4
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did you have wheat in your grains?
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:29 PM   #5
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old DME is my guess, i had a batch do that once, just poured it through a fine mesh to break it up and boiled the whole thing again once i noticed the problem....i think the DME got some moisture into the bags before brew day and clumped on its own, and those clumps seemed to want to stay together a lot longer than i expected them to.

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or you could just screen off the messies into a seperate pot with a little boiling water and get it all dissolved that way
my only real advice is to make sure you get fresh supplies next time


 
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:57 PM   #6
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Thanks for the suggestions. I did add the DME to a cooler wort than I usually do. I usually start adding just before the boil, or at the first boil, this time I added right after the grain steep at about 158 degrees. I won't do that again, just in case.

No wheat in the DME, all light, unhopped, barley DME (according to the package labels anyway). This is an IPA.

Old DME might be the problem, but I just picked it up the day before at my HBS, don't know how to avoid that one!

I have a 6-gallon fermenter with a lees draining valve and a bottling valve - so I've let it settle for two days and drained most of it out (I hope). Beer smells great, and yeast is very active, so no problems there. When I rack to a carboy I'll see if the mess is gone. If not, I may use a fining agent to try to get rid of the rest. I imagine it all settled the first day or so - I got LOTS of crap when I drained out a quart or so. Thanks again,
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:40 PM   #7
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Ahha, finally someone else is seeing the change. See post http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1928

I know that my DME was a new shipment and I started seeing the same results. Something has changed in the DME supplied by Breiss. What brand are you using. I'm curious now.

 
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:46 PM   #8
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Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action...I'm oilin up my pistols. Where is this Breiss dude anyway?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:58 PM   #9
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Oh yeah, another interesting note. I did an All grain using10lbs of Breiss two row last week and I witnessed the same occurance in the boil. It's not just limited to DME. It actually prompt me to buy a hop stopper from tnlandsailor. I thought Man , what the hell is all that chit. I thought it was high protein levels in the DME until I saw the same thing in the grain . It's like chunks of "gunk". What's up fellas?

 
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:04 AM   #10
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Any change in your water?

Checked with any other Austinites?
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