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Old 04-11-2014, 03:37 PM   #2081
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I was thinking about making this recipe but my question is. Are the kmeta and sorbate absolutely necessary or could you make this without it?
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Certainly. It will ferment dry, and if that's where you like it, you're done. If sweetened with to taste with natural sweeteners, the sugars will add food, and the yeast will start eating and passing gas again. If bottled while the yeast is active there would be a big risk for bottle bombs, hence the sorbate to inhibit the yeast's growth. Alternatives to using sorbate would be to use artificial sweeteners; or to pasteurize the naturally sweetened pee, which would kill the active yeast. (For details on pasteurization, see the thread(s) in the cider forum.)


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Old 04-11-2014, 10:20 PM   #2082
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Thanks for the reply. I use Splenda for my wines and it seems to work good so I will probably just do that.


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Old 04-14-2014, 03:28 AM   #2083
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Yes, the kmeta and sorbate prevent renewed fermentation. Without them, the yeast would start up again when you backsweeten, and u get bottle bombs


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Old 04-15-2014, 10:22 PM   #2084
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I bought the stuff to make this last night. I plan on making it soon. I'm using 4 bottles of lemon juice to make it extra tart. I also plan to bottle carb and pasteurize. I used this method on a caramel apple hard cider and it worked well. I am also using fresh rehydrated yeast instead of a slurry. I'm going with two packets just for the extra cell count. Hopefully this will come out tasting more like lemonade instead of wine.
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Old 04-16-2014, 01:13 AM   #2085
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I bought the stuff to make this last night. I plan on making it soon. I'm using 4 bottles of lemon juice to make it extra tart. I also plan to bottle carb and pasteurize. I used this method on a caramel apple hard cider and it worked well. I am also using fresh rehydrated yeast instead of a slurry. I'm going with two packets just for the extra cell count. Hopefully this will come out tasting more like lemonade instead of wine.
Careful, without backsweetening this stuff comes out dry as *Game of Thrones Spoiler alert* my eyes when Joffrey died.
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Old 04-16-2014, 01:35 AM   #2086
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Careful, without backsweetening this stuff comes out dry as *Game of Thrones Spoiler alert* my eyes when Joffrey died.
I'm going to backsweeten according to recipe. I'll bottle carb then pasteurize. No worries, I am fully caught up on GOT. I loved watching that little turd choke.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:50 PM   #2087
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So, a quick question. If I plan to bottle carb and stovetop pasteurize the batch, do I omit both the Kmeta and Sorbate? I am pretty sure those two chemicals mixed together are what kill the remaining yeast. I just want to be 100% sure.
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I just finished my 2nd batch of skeeter pee and it's just too acidic for me. I thought I had a cast iron gut but I can't drink a half a pint without getting serious heartburn. I've been mixing it half and half with apfelwein and it makes a helluva nice cider drink.


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