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View Poll Results: Is copying homebrew recipes for commercial use, w/o approval fair?
Yes, it is fair. 51 37.50%
In the middle. 37 27.21%
No, it is unfair. 44 32.35%
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:03 PM   #1
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Is it bad to copy homebrew recipes for commercial use? Without permission. Say a commercial brewer comes on this website and copies the recipe for their commercial brewery. Does not give any credit whatsoever.

Set aside having one minuscule part of the recipe being different.
Assume that somehow you know the copied recipe came from this website and the beer taste exactly the same and/or the commercial brewery even posted the recipe on their website.

I wanted to see a poll from this already posted thread, http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/what...id-you-191954/

Is it wrong to copy homebrew recipes?

 
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:09 PM   #2
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It sounds underhanded. But it's not like they can't come up with the same recipe on their own. I guess by just taking one off of here they don't have to do the research. I would say they should give credit. Energy and time spent working on something has value. I say give credit where it's due, otherwise it's a cheat. I hate cheaters!
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:18 PM   #3
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I would tend to believe that any commercial brewer would spend way more time and energy on recipe formulation for a consistant product than any of us HB'ers. Besides most pale ales and IPA's are so close in grain bill that it would be hard to really prove anyone stole a recipe.

 
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:23 PM   #4
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I think that if I was the brewer who came up with the recipe, I'd be upset out of principal. I can't say that I'd be all that flattered because flattery doesn't pay the bills. Flattery is when you come up with a recipe that another homebrewer wins a gold medal with.

It also depends on the circumstance. You said that there is no credit, and in the other thread, there was even dialogue between the two brewers. In these circumstances it's complete BS. Some commercial breweries give out their recipes, and if some commercial brewery that I liked wanted to use my recipe I would have no problem so long as they asked me first. It's not like online recipes are anonymous anymore. There's always an administrator to ask or the original poster.

 
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:01 PM   #5
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I'm in the middle. The recipe is public domain and it isn't like any effort was made to protect it. Besides there is so much more to a beer than just the recipe... I'm betting they put some time into formulating a clone that works for their brewing system. On the other hand it is very underhanded/dishonest as I would expect at least a pat on the shoulder and public recognition.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:02 PM   #6
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Legally wrong? No.
Ethically wrong? Perhaps.


 
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:38 PM   #7
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it may be a bit slimy if used EXACTLY, but not if it's used as a starting point to develop from (i.e. if a recipe is used with a house yeast, for example, then it's not the same beer anymore). After all, commercial brewers are often pretty generous with THEIR recipes and to the home brew community in general.

Personally, I'd be flattered if a probrewer used my recipe for one of their beer, with or without credit. With credit - even if it's only on a website (and not the bottle) would certainly be nice, though.

 
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:08 PM   #8
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It seems to me that good ideas are likely to be discovered by more than one person, without any copying going on necessarily. (Ie, the wheel, electricity, evolution, America.) With a beer recipe, there's just only so much variation possible, so it could appear to be copied when it was developed independently, unless you have some other evidence to believe that it wasn't. And even in art, derivative works aren't considered copying - it's not illegal to use someone else's original as a component or inspiration to your own work.

 
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:16 PM   #9
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Wait a minute. The OP says that you somehow knew they took your recipe, brewed it, sold it, and gave no credit. To me that also means that the brewery knew it was yours, but they did it anyway. Now, I know it is not illegal, but definately dirty. So, under the OP, how can that be fair. I love the picture of that kid. That's me, "Unfair!"
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:41 PM   #10
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Unfair. Sure, there is a lot of overlap as far as recipes go but if a corporate entity came on here, grabbed a recipe and brewed it without giving any credit then that's underhanded as hell, and I doubt the publicity from that debacle would benefit them any if at all.
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